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Old September 20 2013, 02:56 PM   #16
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Re: Abrams' Alternate Reality/Shatnerverse similarities

I am reserving judgement about the issue but would like to point out two additional non-canon sources for the V'ger-Borg connection:

Star Trek: Legacy represented V'ger as a mal-programmed machine that built Borg to assimilate all universal knowledge. The carbon-based Borg, however, rebelled.

Star Trek Online does not reference any specific origin story but the Borg have copied the design, which conceivably they could've taken from Starfleet databases. (Remember how Starfleet employs the Dauntless-class in a possible future?)
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Old September 21 2013, 12:43 AM   #17
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Re: Abrams' Alternate Reality/Shatnerverse similarities

I never liked when fans tried to connect V'ger and the Borg, but that pic is pretty cool.
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Old September 21 2013, 08:34 PM   #18
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Re: Abrams' Alternate Reality/Shatnerverse similarities

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I never liked when fans tried to connect V'ger and the Borg, but that pic is pretty cool.
Indeed it is.

I think the Okuda Chronology referenced the theory in its entry for V'Ger's departure from the solar system.
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Old September 21 2013, 09:36 PM   #19
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Where did that "V´Ger and the Borg are somehow connected"-notion originate anyway?
I'm sure plenty of people came up with the idea independently. Like I said, lots of fans try to find patterns or connections.

Like canals or faces on Mars

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It's what leads fans to want to see crossovers between Star Trek and Aliens or DC and Marvel.
No problem with that.

You might have a post TMP V'ger homeworld where it is dormant--the entity having ascended, ad the Borg getting the shell, if you must.
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Old September 21 2013, 11:34 PM   #20
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^V'Ger and the Machine Planet are two different things. V'Ger itself ascended and disappeared; that's got nothing to do with the Machine Planet.

And again, nobody seems to be getting this: Borg technology is primitive compared to V'Ger's. Just because they both have cybernetic technology does not mean those technologies are remotely comparable.
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Old September 22 2013, 07:45 PM   #21
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Re: Abrams' Alternate Reality/Shatnerverse similarities

In any event, IIRC, Cold Equations established pretty definitively that V'Ger had its origins in the Body Electric, not the Borg -- whose origins are found in the Caeliar.
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