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Old September 24 2013, 04:39 PM   #46
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I guess I rather have a problem understanding what happened to Tuvok's pointed ears and eyebrows in ST VI from an "in-universe" point of rationalization.

Wasn't there also some kind of virus involved with the Klingons that made them look different post-TOS?

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Old September 24 2013, 04:45 PM   #47
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That picture was from Generations on the Enterprise-B. The extra was just obviously Tim Russ.
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Old September 24 2013, 07:44 PM   #48
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^^ Oops...thanks for the clarification, I must have been confusing the two. So at least Tuvok had a human "twin" on the Enterprise-B while the real Tuvok served aboard Excelsior?

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Old September 24 2013, 08:30 PM   #49
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And apparently a future triplet who's a terrorist and tries stealing trilithium from the Enterprise. Tim Russ has done a lot of Trek before Tuvok.



Irony points for him being on the receiving end of the Vulcan nerve pinch.
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Old September 24 2013, 08:59 PM   #50
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And just for the ell of it, Russ also played T'Kar the Klingon in DS9's Invasive Procedures.
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Old September 25 2013, 04:18 AM   #51
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Tukok's dad was a player.
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Old September 25 2013, 04:29 AM   #52
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I thought it was weird that Tuvok's memory included external shots of the Excelsior.

Even the VOY special effects crew made a mistake in "Flashback", the Excelsior's nacelles never glowed in the films and early TNG, but they did in "Flashback". Tuvok's wacky mind again.
That's an interesting point. Trek has been very good about not violating POV when dealing with holodeck scenarios, dream sequences, etc. If you pay close attention, you can even spot the episodes where what we're seeing isn't real by noticing that there are no external shots of the ship, the station, etc.

Take "Ship in a Bottle," for example. The moment Picard and Data enter Moriarty's simulation, we stop seeing anything outside the ship.

With the care that's been taken to pay attention to those details, it surprises me Voyager elected to show the outside of the ship.
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Old September 25 2013, 10:07 PM   #53
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I thought it was weird that Tuvok's memory included external shots of the Excelsior.

Even the VOY special effects crew made a mistake in "Flashback", the Excelsior's nacelles never glowed in the films and early TNG, but they did in "Flashback". Tuvok's wacky mind again.
That's an interesting point. Trek has been very good about not violating POV when dealing with holodeck scenarios, dream sequences, etc. If you pay close attention, you can even spot the episodes where what we're seeing isn't real by noticing that there are no external shots of the ship, the station, etc.

Take "Ship in a Bottle," for example. The moment Picard and Data enter Moriarty's simulation, we stop seeing anything outside the ship.

With the care that's been taken to pay attention to those details, it surprises me Voyager elected to show the outside of the ship.
It gets even more bizarre since they had to build a new model of the Excelsior, since the original still had the modifications that turned it into the Enterprise B. So they violated POV the one time when it would have been cheaper for them not to.
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Old September 26 2013, 12:44 AM   #54
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I haven't seen the VOY episode since it first aired and have no intention of ever watching it again, but... how is it that Tuvok wasn't at least an admiral after a century in Starfleet? Or did he leave Starfleet for a time?

Not as big a continuity issue as the others that have already been pointed out, but didn't Kang have the TNG-era Klingon look (long wavy hair, prominent ridges, hooked nose) rather than the TOS movie look (less prominent ridges, normal human nose)?
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Old September 26 2013, 02:16 AM   #55
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I haven't seen the VOY episode since it first aired and have no intention of ever watching it again, but... how is it that Tuvok wasn't at least an admiral after a century in Starfleet? Or did he leave Starfleet for a time?
According to one of the novels (can't remember which at the moment), yes, he did take several decades away from Starfleet. And the reason his ears were temporarily bobbed in ST:VI because he was on or had just come off of a mission for Starfleet Intelligence that required him to not appear Vulcan.
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Old September 26 2013, 07:30 AM   #56
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I haven't seen the VOY episode since it first aired and have no intention of ever watching it again, but... how is it that Tuvok wasn't at least an admiral after a century in Starfleet? Or did he leave Starfleet for a time?
He calls it "his first Starfleet career," and he was only there because his parents wished it. Decades later, he would rejoin and became a security officer rather than the science officer he began as.
Not as big a continuity issue as the others that have already been pointed out, but didn't Kang have the TNG-era Klingon look (long wavy hair, prominent ridges, hooked nose) rather than the TOS movie look (less prominent ridges, normal human nose)?
Kang had already appeared in DS9 sporting the TNG Klingon look. I guess he had the reconstructive surgury mentioned in Enterprise, or had the humanizing effects of the Augment virus reversed.
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Old September 26 2013, 10:59 AM   #57
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And the reason his ears were temporarily bobbed in ST:VI because he was on or had just come off of a mission for Starfleet Intelligence that required him to not appear Vulcan.
So that was Tuvok on the Enterprise-B in ST VII?

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Old September 26 2013, 02:26 PM   #58
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^ No.
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Old September 26 2013, 04:07 PM   #59
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Kang had already appeared in DS9 sporting the TNG Klingon look. I guess he had the reconstructive surgury mentioned in Enterprise, or had the humanizing effects of the Augment virus reversed.
What I mean is that TNG-era Klingons have a distinct look different from TOS movie Klingons. The makeup for the movie klingons is different from the TNG-era makeup. For one thing, the Klingons of the movies (except for perhaps TMP, I can't remember) have perfectly human noses, whereas TNG-era Klingons have hooked noses.

Yes, I'm being pedantic, and it's beside the point.
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Old September 26 2013, 07:08 PM   #60
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I just liked how Worf said "We don't talk about it" and left it at that. Enterprise going out of it's way to explain it just makes it even more silly.
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