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Old September 19 2013, 03:40 PM   #16
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Re: Joanna McCoy

IIRC, McCoy has a grown daughter in the Abramsverse comics, although she has a different name.

(EDIT: Or was it his wife that had the different name?)

And I guess Kirk was the cliche womanizer after all...
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Old September 19 2013, 04:58 PM   #17
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Was it Eeeewww when Kirk was involved with the 19 year old Lenore Karidian?
Whoa, I didn't realize that. And Barbara Anderson was not quite 21 when the episode was filmed.
You know, neither did I. She doesn't come off as nineteen in the episode.
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Old September 20 2013, 01:49 AM   #18
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I suppose it would work - in TOS. Not yet in the Abramsverse though! As of the end of STID, Joanna - assuming she exists - is probably about 11 or 12 at most.
That didn't stop Jerry Lee Lewis or Elvis Presley.
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Old September 20 2013, 01:54 AM   #19
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Was it Eeeewww when Kirk was involved with the 19 year old Lenore Karidian?
Whoa, I didn't realize that. And Barbara Anderson was not quite 21 when the episode was filmed.
You know, neither did I. She doesn't come off as nineteen in the episode.
Crazy has no age limit.

Memory Alpha gives Lenore the birth year of 2247. Not sure of the source. I assume it's based on Kodos massacring the Tarsus Four colonists twenty years prior to the episode.
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Old September 20 2013, 02:02 AM   #20
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Re: Joanna McCoy

KIRK: Stop. Information on Anton Karidian.
COMPUTER: Director and star of travelling company of actors sponsored by Galactic Cultural Exchange Project, touring official installations last nine years. Has daughter, Lenore, nineteen years old....
KIRK: Stop. Give comparative identification between actor Karidian and Governor Kodos.

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Whoa, I didn't realize that. And Barbara Anderson was not quite 21 when the episode was filmed.
You know, neither did I. She doesn't come off as nineteen in the episode.
Crazy has no age limit.

Memory Alpha gives Lenore the birth year of 2247. Not sure of the source. I assume it's based on Kodos massacring the Tarsus Four colonists twenty years prior to the episode.
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Old September 20 2013, 02:07 AM   #21
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There it is then.
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Old September 20 2013, 03:12 AM   #22
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Lenore could have been an infant or toddler twenty years before and with no recollection of what happened. She could have been sheltered from everything.
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Old September 20 2013, 03:21 AM   #23
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Lenore could have been an infant or toddler twenty years before and with no recollection of what happened. She could have been sheltered from everything.
You must have missed Greg's post quoting COTK:

Has daughter, Lenore, nineteen years old
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Lenore could have been an infant or toddler twenty years before and with no recollection of what happened. She could have been sheltered from everything.
"His history begins almost to the day where Kodos disappeared."

Presumably "his history" didn't include a preexisting toddler.
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Old September 20 2013, 04:04 PM   #25
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Fascinating read... I knew a bit about what happened with "The Way to Eden," but I had never heard about the script where Joanna was accidentally killed by Spock. Glad they never did that. I have a hard time ever seeing McCoy forgiving Spock for that, and while I certainly don't think McCoy hated him as some have liked to suggest, if that had happened, he might have.

One thing that has always puzzled me - if they wanted to focus more on Chekov, why not simply keep Joanna as McCoy's daughter, but make it be Chekov who falls in love with her instead? McCoy and Chekov never interacted that much, and he's also about Joanna's age where Kirk is not, so I see it as a win/win.
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Old September 20 2013, 04:07 PM   #26
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^Of all the "what were they thinking?" questions about the rewriting of "The Way to Eden," that is certainly... one of them.
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Old September 20 2013, 04:56 PM   #27
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Haha, yes, certainly not the only one.
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Old September 20 2013, 09:55 PM   #28
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Well, I did fail to mention that Spock takes a near-fatal stab for McCoy towards the end of the script.
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Old September 21 2013, 12:25 PM   #29
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Yeah keeping Joanna McCoy's daughter and the Chekov love angle would have made sense. I wonder why they decided they had to drop Joanna entirely.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:13 PM   #30
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I don't mean to doubt the OP but I think any script which has Spock killing McCoy's daughter (even accidentally) has to be suspect. I mean maybe it could be a first draft but could any writer be that naive?

No series could survive that (except maybe nuBSG). Did they have in the epilog that funny little banter they sometimes ended TOS ? McCoy laughing it off at Spock's expense?

Did they think that in the next week Spock and McCoy would interact normally?
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