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Old September 22 2013, 02:43 AM   #31
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Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?

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So? Do you say you're going to "the Chicago", or visiting "the London"? Those aren't people either, but they're proper nouns. Is it that hard to grasp?
Actually there are some cities, towns, and locations that start with "the", i.e. The Hague.
Sounds more like a local thing.
Well, on a larger scale, you have the Philippines, the Congo, the Netherlands, and... oh yeah: The United States of America.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:49 AM   #32
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Since there are odd and unnecessary exceptions, then the rule doesn't exist or is pointless?
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Old September 22 2013, 02:50 AM   #33
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Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?

One more time: TOS's usage was either wrong to begin with, or an outdated usage that's no longer valid. Either way, it's not something to cling to. The correct naval practice, at least in US usage, is not to use the definite article except before "USS." It can be "the USS Enterprise," but it should not be "the Enterprise."
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Old September 22 2013, 04:17 AM   #34
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Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?

Voyager was rarely if ever referred to as 'The Voyager' and if it was it was generally by the guest aliens of the week. The crew always called it 'Voyager' which I thought really personalised the Ship and made it more of a character and entity in it's own right.
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Old September 22 2013, 05:35 AM   #35
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Hello, new here, even if the writers went out of there way with the referrals to enterprise or the enterprise name when you are assigned to a posting; as in my case Fort Bragg after awhile you tend to call it Bragg. Same thing with ships IE USCGC Spencer we called it Spencer after being there a few cruises. and other names..........
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Old September 22 2013, 07:51 PM   #36
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Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?

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So? Do you say you're going to "the Chicago", or visiting "the London"? Those aren't people either, but they're proper nouns. Is it that hard to grasp?
Is it hard for you to grasp that many will address ships differently than people?
It's hard for me to grasp the idea that people will randomly change the rules of language when referring to ships but not people, places, or other things.
That's life. People will do things that you don't understand or don't like.
Is there something special about ships, particularly named Enterprise, that makes it hard to not say "the" when referring to it by name?
Nope, it's just a common practice by some people and not by others. For many, it was likely something they were taught to do in grade school (the Titanic, the Arizona, the Bounty, the Minnow, etc.).
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Old September 22 2013, 08:04 PM   #37
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People do things I don't like all the time, that's true. But this isn't a case of things I don't like. It's a case of just being plain wrong. When the are just plain wrong, I correct them. Making mistakes out of "habit" or "ignorance" is one thing. Continuing to do make the same "mistake" after being shown why and how they're incorrect just shows they're being stubborn and willfully ignorant.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:54 PM   #38
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People do things I don't like all the time, that's true. But this isn't a case of things I don't like. It's a case of just being plain wrong.
Not to the people who prefer to place "the" before every ship name. It's not wrong to them, nor to the novelists, reporters, writers and just everyday people who continue the practice. It really does come down to it being a custom that some (or even most) people follow, but others don't. You may think it just plain wrong, but that's how people always feel about customs they don't observe or don't like.
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Old September 22 2013, 09:55 PM   #39
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Perpetuating mistakes doesn't mean they're not mistakes. Calling it a custom doesn't mean it's not a mistake. If you want to be contrary, fine, but don't expect people to stop correcting your mistakes either.
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Old September 22 2013, 10:33 PM   #40
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Perpetuating mistakes doesn't mean they're not mistakes. Calling it a custom doesn't mean it's not a mistake. If you want to be contrary, fine, but don't expect people to stop correcting your mistakes either.
No, it really is just a different custom, a different form of address used by most of the population. Despite what you say, it's not a mistake to them to address ships like that.

It really isn't anything to get very upset about.
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Old September 22 2013, 11:45 PM   #41
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Who's upset? You're wrong, and I'm correcting you, that's all. And I'll keep correcting you until you say "Enterprise", and not "the Enterprise".
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Old September 23 2013, 12:33 AM   #42
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Who's upset?
You are. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You're wrong, and I'm correcting you, that's all.
No, I'm correcting you. It's not wrong. It's just not what some people would do. That's all.
And I'll keep correcting you until you say "Enterprise", and not "the Enterprise".
Eternity is a long time for you to be correcting nothing...
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Old September 23 2013, 02:13 AM   #43
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So, you don't correct people who are wrong? You just let them be wrong? If someone said 2+2=5, then that's just their custom?? How can you be so apathetic about mistakes? Do you not care about people?
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Old September 23 2013, 04:04 AM   #44
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Okay, this is getting circular. Can we move on?
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Old September 23 2013, 05:17 AM   #45
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What's to move on from? The OP's question was answered. The fact that C.E. Evans wants to say people have the right to make mistakes and call them "customs" is intriguing, and I was hoping to follow up on it.

So, why the Enterprise and sometimes the Defiant, but only once (that I recall) the Voyager? DS9 was usually just "the station", which makes sense, because it's one of many and the characters were referencing the station that was of primary interest to them. But would it ever be called the Deep Space 9? Why or why not? Is Enterprise a special name that demands the specific article? Why not just an Enterprise? There were many of them, after all. Why would all of them be the Enterprise? Wouldn't that be confusing?

Maybe the Enterprise is just Kirk's ship?
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