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Old September 27 2013, 09:35 PM   #1
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Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

Not be confused by the short lived comic book of the same name. That dealt with the cadets of star fleet. Originally it was named "Star Trek, Red Squad" but Red Squad was an elitist group of cadets. That the other cadets admired and envied. As Nog said on DS9, red squad got the special treatment/assignments and was the envy of the cadets. It's not GLEE or JERSEY SHORE in space. It's not about puberty, pimples,crushes. Or virginity's being lost.

It's a rough draft of what would happen if the Alpha Quadrant was invaded as a result of The Temporal Cold War by the sphere builders called the Xindi. And most of The Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian and other warp capable species were marooned in a Nexus Bubble, leaving only at best a handful of ships to protect the Alpha Quadrant which is now vulnerable to an attack from the Borg or The Dominion.

Cadet Jean Luc Riker(Son of Admiral Will Riker and Commander Deana Troi) along with other cadets have to become full members of Star Fleet, to protect the Alpha Quandrant from a Xindi invasion and free his father and the entire Federation Fleet/ Alpha quadrant fleet from the Void...That's as far as I've gotten with the idea
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Old September 27 2013, 09:39 PM   #2
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Old September 27 2013, 09:43 PM   #3
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Re: Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

Leaving aside how completely campy "Jean-Luc Riker" is the Temporal Cold War was an utter failure and making cadets officers again? NuTrek already takes enough heat for that without the TCW stuff.

Not only does Starfleet regularly have only one ship in the sector, but now they don't have trained crew to put on it? They deserve to be wiped out if that's the case. Even NuTrek dropped the "only ship in the sector" bit.
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Old September 27 2013, 10:09 PM   #4
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Old September 27 2013, 10:14 PM   #5
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Leaving aside how completely campy "Jean-Luc Riker" is the Temporal Cold War was an utter failure and making cadets officers again? NuTrek already takes enough heat for that without the TCW stuff.

Not only does Starfleet regularly have only one ship in the sector, but now they don't have trained crew to put on it? They deserve to be wiped out if that's the case. Even NuTrek dropped the "only ship in the sector" bit.
Temporal Cold War was a failure on Enterprise because the writer's didn't have alot to work with. But the subject is fascinating and can inspire many new idea's for Star Trek story plots. How would you handle this story or what direction would you go in.
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Old September 27 2013, 11:02 PM   #6
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Re: Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

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Cadet Jean Luc Riker ... along with other cadets have to become full members of Star Fleet
I wonder at the title of Starfleet Academy, it sound like the series would very quickly not have anything to do with the Academy. Maybe the pilot episode only?

Rework it a bit, there would be nothing wrong with a series that focused on a group of young officers on their first deployment into deep space. You could make them former members of Red Squad, although I personally was never all that impressed with the concept of Red Squad.

If you want to bring back the Xindi as occasional trouble makers that would be one idea (the Xindi were a great group), but they can't carry a series as the only source of conflict. They're going to need help. Instead of dragging the Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians out of the Star Trek crypt, invent some new reoccurring aliens from the anti-Federation league.

It's not about puberty, pimples,crushes. Or virginity's being lost.
That's your choice of course, but one of the often heard complaints is lack of character development, characters who bland together, character who never grow, who over the course of seven seasons we (the audience) actual learn surprisingly little about.

So maybe a few crushes, and how about a character who is openly proud of their virginity?

Nice thing about suggestions is you don't have to take them.

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Old September 28 2013, 12:40 AM   #7
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Re: Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

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Leaving aside how completely campy "Jean-Luc Riker" is the Temporal Cold War was an utter failure and making cadets officers again? NuTrek already takes enough heat for that without the TCW stuff.

Not only does Starfleet regularly have only one ship in the sector, but now they don't have trained crew to put on it? They deserve to be wiped out if that's the case. Even NuTrek dropped the "only ship in the sector" bit.
Temporal Cold War was a failure on Enterprise because the writer's didn't have alot to work with. But the subject is fascinating and can inspire many new idea's for Star Trek story plots. How would you handle this story or what direction would you go in.
I wouldn't. Time travel is over used in Star Trek as is without making it a major plot point. It's apparently easier to travel 300 years in time than it is to conventionally travel from point a to point b.
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Old September 28 2013, 03:59 AM   #8
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Cadet Jean Luc Riker ... along with other cadets have to become full members of Star Fleet
I wonder at the title of Starfleet Academy, it sound like the series would very quickly not have anything to do with the Academy. Maybe the pilot episode only?

Rework it a bit, there would be nothing wrong with a series that focused on a group of young officers on their first deployment into deep space. You could make them former members of Red Squad, although I personally was never all that impressed with the concept of Red Squad.

If you want to bring back the Xindi as occasional trouble makers that would be one idea (the Xindi were a great group), but they can't carry a series as the only source of conflict. They're going to need help. Instead of dragging the Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians out of the Star Trek crypt, invent some new reoccurring aliens from the anti-Federation league.

It's not about puberty, pimples,crushes. Or virginity's being lost.
That's your choice of course, but one of the often heard complaints is lack of character development, characters who bland together, character who never grow, who over the course of seven seasons we (the audience) actual learn surprisingly little about.

So maybe a few crushes, and how about a character who is openly proud of their virginity?

Nice thing about suggestions is you don't have to take them.

Good suggestions: I wanted to put in a female shape shifter. One of the 100's like Odo. Only this one was found and raised by the Xindi. In humanoid form, she's beautiful and her features are more defined than Odo or the rest of the Founders are. She turns on the Xindi to join with star fleet, like Neelix and 7 of 9 did on Voyager. There is mutual attraction between her and Riker
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Old September 28 2013, 04:19 AM   #9
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Another dimension I wanted to add was Riker is 3/4 Betazoid and has limited empathic powers not as powerful of course as his mother Deanna Troi is. They find themselves as crew on one of Star Fleets most powerful star ships...The Excalibur. Riker has been battle field promoted to acting Captain. Being the senior cadet, and his experiences he learned from his father, seeing him in action while being raised on The Titan. So you have cadets on a very powerful ship, making mistakes and learning how to operate a star ship. Top it all off, Captain Worf is an acting star fleet admiral as well, due to shortage of senior officers
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Old September 28 2013, 04:23 AM   #10
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Deanna was only half Betazoid, her father was human, so her kid with Riker would be 1/4 Betazoid. The Ral character from the Price was 1/4 Betazoid and described himself as one of seven children and the only with empathy. So chances are the kid wouldn't be empathic.
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Old September 28 2013, 06:15 AM   #11
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Re: Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

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Leaving aside how completely campy "Jean-Luc Riker" is the Temporal Cold War was an utter failure and making cadets officers again? NuTrek already takes enough heat for that without the TCW stuff.

Not only does Starfleet regularly have only one ship in the sector, but now they don't have trained crew to put on it? They deserve to be wiped out if that's the case. Even NuTrek dropped the "only ship in the sector" bit.
Temporal Cold War was a failure on Enterprise because the writer's didn't have alot to work with. But the subject is fascinating and can inspire many new idea's for Star Trek story plots. How would you handle this story or what direction would you go in.
It was their idea (Well it might have been the studio or the network). In any case they could add as much as they wanted to make it work. They were only limited by their imaginations and desires. If the rumors were correct, they were never keen on the idea in the first place.
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Old September 28 2013, 07:01 AM   #12
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Re: Another Revamped idea "Star Trek, Star Fleet Academy"

CommodoreDecker wrote: View Post
Not be confused by the short lived comic book of the same name. That dealt with the cadets of star fleet. Originally it was named "Star Trek, Red Squad" but Red Squad was an elitist group of cadets. That the other cadets admired and envied. As Nog said on DS9, red squad got the special treatment/assignments and was the envy of the cadets. It's not GLEE or JERSEY SHORE in space. It's not about puberty, pimples,crushes. Or virginity's being lost.
I liked the Starfleet Academy comics, it was good to see another angle on Trek other than just your typical starship crew. Since they will be mostly teenagers when things kick off hormones and youth will interfere with their studies, so they should have aspects about growing up that would affect them in different ways. Otherwise they're just like adult crewmembers who have already learnt from painful experiences in their developing years (first loves and all that).

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It's a rough draft of what would happen if the Alpha Quadrant was invaded as a result of The Temporal Cold War by the sphere builders called the Xindi. And most of The Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian and other warp capable species were marooned in a Nexus Bubble, leaving only at best a handful of ships to protect the Alpha Quadrant which is now vulnerable to an attack from the Borg or The Dominion.
The TCW and Sphere Builders were two totally separate things. The TCW was a tedious plot device that did nothing and went nowhere and was resolved in a single throwaway story. The Builders needed to covert our space in order for them to survive (which was what they were doing with the Expanse), so in order for them to invade they'd have to start again and every major power would be alerted and prepared for them. What is the Nexus Bubble? Doesn't sound like anything dangerous/threatening/sinister.

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Cadet Jean Luc Riker(Son of Admiral Will Riker and Commander Deana Troi) along with other cadets have to become full members of Star Fleet, to protect the Alpha Quandrant from a Xindi invasion and free his father and the entire Federation Fleet/ Alpha quadrant fleet from the Void...That's as far as I've gotten with the idea
Please, be original. Taking the son or Will/Deanna and giving him Picard's name is just really tired, he'll be fretting about his lineage and what he has to live up to. If Starfleet is destroyed who makes them full members? Now does Johnny have to save his daddy from the Xindi/Void or the Builders/Bubble? Also by this point in time then the Xindi would either be members of the Federation of allies, seeing as how at least two hundred years have passed--it took less than half of that for the UFP/Klingons to become firm friends.

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Temporal Cold War was a failure on Enterprise because the writer's didn't have alot to work with. But the subject is fascinating and can inspire many new idea's for Star Trek story plots. How would you handle this story or what direction would you go in.
It sounds like each week would be like Doctor Who, travelling to different times in order to solve the mystery/beat the bad guys and save the universe as we know it. Time travel has been overused to the point where its a joke, there's nothing new and clever about it anymore in Trek. Besides the last time it happen it totally fucked up the timelines.

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Good suggestions: I wanted to put in a female shape shifter. One of the 100's like Odo. Only this one was found and raised by the Xindi. In humanoid form, she's beautiful and her features are more defined than Odo or the rest of the Founders are. She turns on the Xindi to join with star fleet, like Neelix and 7 of 9 did on Voyager. There is mutual attraction between her and Riker
Why does she have to be "beautiful", why not more of a 'Plain Jane'--none of the Xindi were exactly bonny to look at. Neither Neelix or Seven turned on anyone, Neelix was a drifter without anything better to do and Seven was ripped from the Collective and grudgingly dragged back into humanity. Having a character switch sides because they disagree with what their people is doing is an interesting idea, though why does she have to be a Changeling? Couldn't it be just a normal Xindi? What could she bring to the species that wasn't already done with Odo?

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They find themselves as crew on one of Star Fleets most powerful star ships...The Excalibur.
How do a bunch of cadets wind up on such a ship? What happened to the proper crew?

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Riker has been battle field promoted to acting Captain. Being the senior cadet, and his experiences he learned from his father, seeing him in action while being raised on The Titan. So you have cadets on a very powerful ship, making mistakes and learning how to operate a star ship.
I'd find such a character more interesting if he was a screw up, someone pressured into Starfleet out of family obligation than actually wanting to be there. He's bright but doesn't live up to his potential, just something to make him different from Will Riker rather than a carbon copy. Also he may not want to follow him into Command, what if he wanted to follow his mother and go into Counselling?

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Top it all off, Captain Worf is an acting star fleet admiral as well, due to shortage of senior officers
I have lots of issues about a 'Captain' Worf idea. Choosing his wife over the mission pretty much ended his career prospects (Sisko said as much), plus he was an Ambassador at the end of DS9. Him being in uniform in NEM was never explained and could have simply been temporary for the wedding, after which he returned to his diplomatic duties, there's nothing to say that he stayed on. But putting a pin in all that, how did Worf survive when Will Riker didn't? If there are other Starfleet ships/personnel out there why haven't they taken over the Excalibur and dropped the cadets off on a planet where they'd be safe and take over the mission to save the universe?
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