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View Poll Results: Rate The Crimson Shadow.
Outstanding 66 67.35%
Above Average 26 26.53%
Average 4 4.08%
Below Average 2 2.04%
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Old October 1 2013, 03:53 PM   #106
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

Got it friday afternoon...finished it yesterday. voted Outstanding! It is one of my new favorite Trek books. Garak was amazing! At first i wanted more with the TNG crew, but after it got going, i was even happier with all the Garak time. Didn't see the whole Castellan thing coming at first. I can't wait to read the rest of this series. Even though i liked Revelations and Dust, this blows it out of the water. Una has a life long fan in me
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Old October 1 2013, 05:57 PM   #107
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Thank you to everyone who has expressed such enthusiasm for the book! I wrote it in a big burst of energetic and riotous joy/passion and I've been so looking forward to seeing what people would make of it. I wanted a fast and exhilarating but not slight read, and it sounds like I've pulled this off. Phew! And thank you again.
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Old October 1 2013, 06:20 PM   #108
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Definitely your best yet
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Old October 1 2013, 09:10 PM   #109
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

Una McCormack wrote: View Post
Thank you to everyone who has expressed such enthusiasm for the book! I wrote it in a big burst of energetic and riotous joy/passion and I've been so looking forward to seeing what people would make of it. I wanted a fast and exhilarating but not slight read, and it sounds like I've pulled this off. Phew! And thank you again.
You are such a sweet person. Thanks for sharing that with us.
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Old October 1 2013, 09:13 PM   #110
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Una McCormack wrote: View Post
Thank you to everyone who has expressed such enthusiasm for the book! I wrote it in a big burst of energetic and riotous joy/passion and I've been so looking forward to seeing what people would make of it. I wanted a fast and exhilarating but not slight read, and it sounds like I've pulled this off. Phew! And thank you again.
What ever you did, whatever you ate\drank did to get this done...

KEEP DOING IT.
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Old October 1 2013, 09:17 PM   #111
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Garak is Castellan. Your argument is invalid.
New threadbomb!
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Old October 2 2013, 12:27 AM   #112
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[A]ll these nods to ideas that don't need to be laboured over, be it the two women living together in East Torr (whether a couple or not),
They were described as mates--well, one was described as the mate of the other.

the ideas of accents and haircuts, the use of but not focus on the Oralian Way and Paladine's daughter, Kel, the physicality and fondness of Garak and Parmak's relationship, etc.
That was a very close friendship, right, not anything romantic? I read it as the former, though I was delighted to note in passing that Garak was unimpressed by Temet's handsomeness. Canonical novelverse confirmation of Garak being non-heterosexual, if there hadn't been already, right?

This wealth of unlaboured detail reminded one of (and indeed deliberately alluded to) the grandfather Garak/Cardassia text, of course, A Stitch in Time, but far further developed.
It was remarkable.
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Old October 2 2013, 01:38 AM   #113
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I haven't finished the book yet (just starting the third act), however, I find that I'm struggling with the book. When I compare it to Hollow Men (I do have The Never-Ending Sacrifice, but I haven't read it yet) I'm finding that the book just doesn't have the amount of action that I was looking for sure
, but I'm just not finding the story is grabbing me like Hollow Men was.
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Old October 2 2013, 09:24 AM   #114
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One of the reasons I enjoyed the book so much is that it's so atypical. There's no scene on the bridge, the main character is Garak, the story features mostly new people in mundane settings. It's great. So many Trek books can feel formulaic in their design. This one didn't. I also feel that when compared to the first Fall book, this one works much better. DRG's book spends a lot of time reflecting on what's come before or telling us what has led up to the event. Then it's chock full of speeches. Crimson Shadow barely ever gives us any background and it's stronger for it. Ari could easily have been a character with history in Trek the way she was developed. It's just a great book, Trek or not. That's the best compliment I can give it. Side note: I don't want to crap on DRG3. His Crucible: McCoy is an astonishing book. I just wanted his Fall title to feel more like Crimson Shadow in style.
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Old October 2 2013, 06:50 PM   #115
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The book kind of felt more like a well scripted TV mini-series. The pacing and the way characters were used gave that impression, if any of the recent TrekLit novels could translate well into the TV screen, I think it's this one. (Stuff of Dreams is the other one that comes immediately to mind.) There's an almost Wire-esque tension permeating through the chapters where even the stuff that happens is supposedly prosaic. (Garek and Parmak's post dinner scene.)

I think the book that I found it most similar to that I've read recently is Robert Harris's Ghostwriter which I hope is at least good praise. Just very impressed with both this and The Never Ending Sacrifice.
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Old October 3 2013, 06:30 AM   #116
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Apparently the book has hit the NY Times Bestseller list, as Una has tweeted a couple of hours ago that she is now a NY Times bestselling author.
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Old October 3 2013, 10:29 AM   #117
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rfmcdpei wrote: View Post
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[A]ll these nods to ideas that don't need to be laboured over, be it the two women living together in East Torr (whether a couple or not),
They were described as mates--well, one was described as the mate of the other.
Thanks - it just echoed the lesbian couple in NES also, a depiction that just felt very natural and subtle itself.

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the ideas of accents and haircuts, the use of but not focus on the Oralian Way and Paladine's daughter, Kel, the physicality and fondness of Garak and Parmak's relationship, etc.
That was a very close friendship, right, not anything romantic? I read it as the former, though I was delighted to note in passing that Garak was unimpressed by Temet's handsomeness. Canonical novelverse confirmation of Garak being non-heterosexual, if there hadn't been already, right?
It felt like a subtle allusion to how physical and even homoerotic Garak was written and played at first, in his flirtations with Bashir way back in S1. In the DS9 companion the writers and Andrew Robinson talked about this, then abandonned the approach, but Robinson was playful about it in his comments - Garak was 'omnisexual' or such like, if i remember right.

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This wealth of unlaboured detail reminded one of (and indeed deliberately alluded to) the grandfather Garak/Cardassia text, of course, A Stitch in Time, but far further developed.
It was remarkable.
Yeah, it was! Una by the agreement of at least two, your writing in remarkable!
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Old October 5 2013, 12:23 AM   #118
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My review is now up! Can't overstate how much I loved this book. Una: you effing rock.
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Old October 5 2013, 06:33 AM   #119
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I'm almost afraid to rate this as Outstanding. I can't tell whether I really enjoyed the book as much as I think I did, or whether I'm simply relieved that it wasn't another Revelation and Dust. I can't tell how much my experience with R&D is coloring my opinion of TCS.

The opening was a bit slow. That was the only part of the whole book that I wasn't "locked in" so to speak. But after that, I very nearly didn't put it down.

Note to DRGIII and his fans: This is how you plot. This is how you do character arcs. This is how you introduce new secondary characters. You don't just say "here we are." You show us how you got here.

Longer review to come, once I've slept on it.
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Old October 5 2013, 04:48 PM   #120
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A superbly written novel. Definatly a good story on its own, but you are definetly left feeling everything is not as straight cut as we might be told, about the assasins and such.

One thing I didn't get, and I might be overlooking something here....
Page 313, when


Other then that, Una has shown again why she should keep on writing. I think it's definatly time I read something other then Trek by her.
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