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View Poll Results: Rate The Crimson Shadow.
Outstanding 66 67.35%
Above Average 26 26.53%
Average 4 4.08%
Below Average 2 2.04%
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Old September 26 2013, 06:52 PM   #61
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

I voted Outstanding. I've only read Una's Typhon Pact book Brinkmanship, but not her other Cardassia centric stories. I'm not a big fan of Cardassians but love Garak. And very pleased to see his new place in Cardassia's future.

Was also not surprised at this...



I just hope that more happens in regards to the assassination ramifications in future novels than it did in this one. The story ends, literally, with Picard shrugging and claiming there is nothing else that can be done. Um, what happened to the Picard of TNG who said that a Starfleet officer's first duty is to the truth? But I'm willing to read the next books of The Fall line to see how it goes. Indeed, he was between a rock and a hard place in this book.

Final score for Star Trek The Fall: Crimson Shadow is 10 out of 10. A much better prose than the dismal Revelations and Dust by DRGIII. A little slow at times but no where near the level of the Kira stuff from the previous book. But once things get going they get going at warp 10. Una McCormack has helped me go from dreading the future installments of The Fall series after reading Revelations and Dust, to a return of the same anticipated excitement for them that I had months previously.

Thanks to this book, McCormack has a new fan. I think my next read will be her Hollow Men to see what I missed and to see just how much the character of Garak has grown from the series to who he has become in The Crimson Shadow.

In a recent interview the author has made mention of a future novel featuring the Next Generation crew, and I look forward to it and other future works.
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Old September 26 2013, 07:27 PM   #62
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Thanks to this book, McCormack has a new fan. I think my next read will be her Hollow Men to see what I missed and to see just how much the character of Garak has grown from the series to who he has become in The Crimson Shadow.

In a recent interview the author has made mention of a future novel featuring the Next Generation crew, and I look forward to it and other future works.
If you're interested in Una McCormack's work about Garak/Cardassia, I recommend "Scorched Earth", available for free online:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/matthew...earthfront.htm
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Old September 26 2013, 07:36 PM   #63
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Scortched Earth is really good, it isn't surprising to see she went on to be such a good author. It would be awesome to see it published under Myriad Universes.

My personal favorites are Face Value and Never-ending Sacrifice. [Other than this book, of course!]
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Old September 26 2013, 07:41 PM   #64
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About a third in and just not that interesting. Maybe things will improve soon?
Yes, in a "hit you over the head" sort of way.

Much as I prefer plot over character, McCormack makes me like character. Sorry, but DRGIII is way too character-oriented an author for me.
This sounds like more bad news versus an improvement.
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Old September 26 2013, 08:18 PM   #65
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I bought my copy of Crimson Shadow which I will be reading after I finish reading Altered Carbon which will be on my 7-night cruise to Bermuda next week.
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Old September 26 2013, 09:05 PM   #66
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Just downloaded the book to my kindle. Looking forward to diving in once I have finished with the DRGIII book.
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Old September 27 2013, 03:21 AM   #67
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I voted Outstanding. I've only read Una's Typhon Pact book Brinkmanship, but not her other Cardassia centric stories. I'm not a big fan of Cardassians but love Garak. And very pleased to see his new place in Cardassia's future.

Was also not surprised at this...

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Old September 27 2013, 03:35 AM   #68
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I voted Outstanding. I've only read Una's Typhon Pact book Brinkmanship, but not her other Cardassia centric stories. I'm not a big fan of Cardassians but love Garak. And very pleased to see his new place in Cardassia's future.

Was also not surprised at this...

That is true. In fact I'm hoping you are right.
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Old September 27 2013, 04:01 AM   #69
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I voted Outstanding. I've only read Una's Typhon Pact book Brinkmanship, but not her other Cardassia centric stories. I'm not a big fan of Cardassians but love Garak. And very pleased to see his new place in Cardassia's future.

Was also not surprised at this...

That is true. In fact I'm hoping you are right.
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Old September 27 2013, 04:03 AM   #70
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Read it. loved it. Eagerly awaiting Book III.
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Old September 27 2013, 04:58 AM   #71
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I'm definitely thinking there's more going on.

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Old September 27 2013, 06:19 AM   #72
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I'm definitely thinking there's more going on.



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I just hope that more happens in regards to the assassination ramifications in future novels than it did in this one.
The blurbs for The Poisoned Chalice and Peaceable Kingdoms seem to make it clear this will be followed up on.

The story ends, literally, with Picard shrugging and claiming there is nothing else that can be done.
No, it ends with him telling the head of Starfleet Command, and the two of them deciding not to act yet for fear of endangering the UFP/Cardassian alliance and plunging Cardassia back into the hands of reactionary nationalists, and because they did not yet have firm evidence of the True Way's involvement. I can find no reference to any shrugging, and Akaar's dialogue -- "We need to reflect upon this for a while, Jean-luc. For the moment, this should go no further" -- makes it clear this is not a permanent state of affairs.

Um, what happened to the Picard of TNG who said that a Starfleet officer's first duty is to the truth?
The same Picard of TNG who allowed Duras and the Klingon government to cover up Ja'Rod's role in the Khitomer massacre, frame Mogh, and discommendate Worf?

Or perhaps the same Picard who told Norah Satie that accusations need evidence to substantiate them?
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Old September 27 2013, 06:44 AM   #73
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One more possibility came to mind.

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Old September 27 2013, 06:54 AM   #74
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That's in response to rfmcdpei - forgot to quote!
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Old September 27 2013, 10:16 AM   #75
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I must admit I have never really been a fan of the Cardassia-centric stories, I just find them to be a little dull. Once I got about a third of the way into this though, I was hooked. I started reading yesterday evening and suddenly it was 1am.

Just managed to finished it off this morning and whilst I felt the overall story could have come to a somewhat more satisfying conclusion, Garak's story was wonderfully handled. It somehow came off being rather more believable than it would have had I heard about it from someone else.

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