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View Poll Results: Rate The Crimson Shadow.
Outstanding 68 67.33%
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Old October 28 2013, 02:54 AM   #196
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

So, to sum this all up: there's no consensus on morality, and we shan't pretend otherwise.
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Old October 28 2013, 02:58 AM   #197
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

Pretty much. My hope rests with enough people ultimately being convinced of what I think the right things are, and that's how it works with a self-organizing political process, I guess.
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Old October 28 2013, 10:53 AM   #198
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And I think interesting to this discussion is how conflicted everyone's reactions are, for example to Snowden himself, or to the difference between spying on one's people and oneself. Greenwald, the journalist most in the thick of this, writes an interesting editorial on this in today's Guardian (UK).

But to return to the book, which of course treats upon the dangers of excess in a controling or invasive state, this feels very suitable as a topic of discussion.

[Edit: it must be said, that one of my favourite shows is the Stand Alone Complex series of Ghost in the Shell, which does condone this kind of covert and omniscient spying agency....]
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Old October 28 2013, 11:06 AM   #199
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Jarvisimo wrote: View Post
And I think interesting to this discussion is how conflicted everyone's reactions are, for example to Snowden himself, or to the difference between spying on one's people and oneself. Greenwald, the journalist most in the thick of this, writes an interesting editorial on this in today's Guardian (UK).

But to return to the book, which of course treats upon the dangers of excess in a controling or invasive state, this feels very suitable as a topic of discussion.

[Edit: it must be said, that one of my favourite shows is the Stand Alone Complex series of Ghost in the Shell, which does condone this kind of covert and omniscient spying agency....]
The article is more of the same, really. It's no more interesting than the first dozen or so journalists who cried "woe is me" at these "revelations" that everybody spies.

As for the government trying to hush up the whole thing... That's what it does. It's not really spying if you do it out in the open. "Excuse me Chancellor Merkel, could you hang up the phone while we install this bug? Thank you, ma'am." Once you have an advantage, you classify it so that it's harder to lose that advantage. It's the NSA director's job (as well as other directors) to make sure their classified information remains a secret. It's his job to ask for those who break those laws to be prosecuted for them. Now, whether or not this results in censorship is up to the courts, who should also do their job. But calling out the NSA director for doing his is stupid.

None of this is at all surprising. Who, exactly, was naive enough to think this didn't happen? Who is naive enough to believe it won't continue to happen for as long as humanity survives? Knowledge is power.
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Old October 28 2013, 11:55 AM   #200
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

And remember that because certain words and phrases have been used in this thread it has almost certainly been pored over by some spook or another.

Still happy?
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Old October 28 2013, 11:57 AM   #201
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It's a public forum. I would expect everything said here to be in databases of multiple companies, countries, and individuals all across the globe. What does happiness have to do with reality?
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Old October 28 2013, 12:26 PM   #202
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What does happiness have to do with reality??

Kinda bleak there baby!
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Old October 28 2013, 02:24 PM   #203
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I guess the mantra of the authorities Jebus talks about is 'Trust no-one, suspect everyone' or such like. It is utterly bleak, not something I can do naturally, though understandable in its reasonable nihilism.
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Old October 28 2013, 02:44 PM   #204
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

Okay, anyone who wants to continue discussing the morality or otherwise of spying can please take it to either Miscellaneous or TNZ - this conversation is no longer even remotely connected to a review of The Crimson Shadow.

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Old November 1 2013, 04:42 PM   #205
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

My review is here We also had Una on Literary Treks to talk about the book.
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Old November 1 2013, 06:32 PM   #206
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I just finished listening to Una McCorkmack's interview. I really enjoyed listening to how she came up with her story ideas for writing this novel with Picard and Garak.I ordered this book but it hasn't come yet.
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Old November 1 2013, 06:43 PM   #207
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I just finished listening to Una McCorkmack's interview. I really enjoyed listening to how she came up with her story ideas for writing this novel with Picard and Garak.I ordered this book but it hasn't come yet.
Sorry about that! We spoiled quite a lot! Glad you liked it!
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Old November 2 2013, 01:42 PM   #208
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

This thread seems to have gotten horribly side-tracked, possibly even highjacked. I'm glad to see things have started to come back around just in time for me to pipe in.

I just finished Una McCormack's wonderful book, Star Trek: The Fall: The Crimson Shadow. My initial reaction when seeing it weigh in on my Nook at 210 pages was, "It's far too short." I tried not to focus on something as superficial as length and dove into the story. I loved this story and read through it quickly, at least for me, yet, at the same time, I tried to stall finishing. I quickly remembered that I loved novels featuring Garak as a lead or main character, novels with Cardassian plot-heavy stories and novels written by Una McCormack, in that order.

Both of the first two novels in The Fall mini-series have been excellent. I loved this title and am excited to see where events started in this novel lead in the future. After completing this novel, I believe I have to fall back on my initial reaction, it was far too short and over far too quickly.

Now I'm on to David Mack's volume in The Fall series. Let's hope he doesn't kill too many main characters, kill off the whole Andorian species or destroy the U.S.S. Rio Grande!

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Old November 3 2013, 05:44 AM   #209
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

I've noticed that the books have seemed to be getting shorter again over the last couple of years.
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Old November 11 2013, 05:51 PM   #210
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Just finished The Crimson Shadow. I enjoyed the book very much. I liked having Garak as one of the main characters, and I also liked Una McCormack's descriptions of a war ravaged and battered Cardassia Prime.


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