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Old January 29 2015, 03:21 PM   #1
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The powers of propaganda and media.

So, let's get it down. Star Wars is more know worldwide than Star Trek, it has more young fans than Star Trek, and it is more "classic" on the peoples mind.

The question is... Is it really because of the battles?
You see... I'm 16 (already told that) and had a friend... A typical Star Wars fanboy.
I got him into watching TOS and he liked it. By the end on TNG he was a Trekkie.

So... All come down to this: Star Wars has more propaganda? Because half of my colleges like Star Wars better and never EVER have seen one goddamn episode of TNG (just like my friend i mentioned).

THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!
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Old January 29 2015, 03:43 PM   #2
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

Star Trek has a stigma of being intellectual and making people think while Star Wars is basically action movies set in space, thereby making it more accessible.
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Old January 29 2015, 04:50 PM   #3
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

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Star Trek has a stigma of being intellectual and making people think while Star Wars is basically action movies set in space, thereby making it more accessible.
This. With Star Wars, you can put your mind on hold and watch the visuals. The dialogue sure isn't worth thinking about after the film's over.
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Old January 29 2015, 05:17 PM   #4
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

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Star Trek has a stigma of being intellectual and making people think while Star Wars is basically action movies set in space, thereby making it more accessible.
This. With Star Wars, you can put your mind on hold and watch the visuals. The dialogue sure isn't worth thinking about after the film's over.
But that doesn't change the fact that my friend there was like that and after watching TOS and TNG changed his mind.
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Old January 29 2015, 06:08 PM   #5
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But that doesn't change the fact that my friend there was like that and after watching TOS and TNG changed his mind.
You can't generalize based on a sample size of one.
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Old January 29 2015, 06:24 PM   #6
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

They must be useing a Jedi mind trick. Darth-Isney is no doubt to blame.
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Old January 29 2015, 06:40 PM   #7
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

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But that doesn't change the fact that my friend there was like that and after watching TOS and TNG changed his mind.
You can't generalize based on a sample size of one.
I'm not trying to. The very idea of this post is to make a debate about "what if it's that way... or what if it's not..." C'mon, you can't just deny that Star Wars has A LOT more propaganda and media attention.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:07 PM   #8
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

Shapeshifter wrote: View Post
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But that doesn't change the fact that my friend there was like that and after watching TOS and TNG changed his mind.
You can't generalize based on a sample size of one.
I'm not trying to. The very idea of this post is to make a debate about "what if it's that way... or what if it's not..." C'mon, you can't just deny that Star Wars has A LOT more propaganda and media attention.
What big entity is promoting Star Wars constantly repeating the same slogans? It only became popular because people liked it, originally it was a very dubious investment.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:12 PM   #9
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

Propaganda:
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

I would hesitate to classify the marketing of Star Wars and its licensed products as propaganda.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:21 PM   #10
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

I think the OP has got things backwards.

Star Wars is not more popular than Star Trek because it gets more hype and publicity.

Star Wars gets more hype and publicity because it's more popular that Star Trek.

As to why it's more popular . . . well, that's whole other issue.

But it's not because of "propaganda."
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Old January 29 2015, 08:25 PM   #11
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Re: The powers of propaganda and media.

Shapeshifter wrote: View Post
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But that doesn't change the fact that my friend there was like that and after watching TOS and TNG changed his mind.
You can't generalize based on a sample size of one.
I'm not trying to. The very idea of this post is to make a debate about "what if it's that way... or what if it's not..." C'mon, you can't just deny that Star Wars has A LOT more propaganda and media attention.
Yeah, but you said, "But that doesn't change the fact that my friend [etc.]," as if that countered what Melakon said. My point is that your experience with your friend doesn't impact what Melakon said in the slightest.

The idea that the media is to blame for why Star Trek isn't as popular as Star Wars is—to put it bluntly—precious.

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What big entity is promoting Star Wars constantly repeating the same slogans? It only became popular because people liked it, originally it was a very dubious investment.
Yep. At first, Star Wars wasn't well-marketed, because no one knew how to market a film like that; it was the first of its kind. During its initial run, it caught on and surpassed Jaws as the greatest blockbuster for a single reason: people liked it, and they liked it a lot.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that on the popularity scale, some things are more popular than others.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:29 PM   #12
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It shouldn't come as a surprise that on the popularity scale, some things are more popular than others.
And that's not necessarily a value judgment. I like pizza and I like fried oysters, but it's obvious that pizza is more popular than oysters.

Doesn't mean that pizza is better than oysters (or vise versa). Or that the media has brainwashed us all into like pizza better.

It's just the way things are.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:30 PM   #13
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The beautiful thing is, something doesn't have to be "the most popular" for a person to enjoy it and talk about it to others.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:38 PM   #14
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It shouldn't come as a surprise that on the popularity scale, some things are more popular than others.
And that's not necessarily a value judgment. I like pizza and I like fried oysters, but it's obvious that pizza is more popular than oysters.

Doesn't mean that pizza is better than oysters (or vise versa). Or that the media has brainwashed us all into like pizza better.

It's just the way things are.
Absolutely.
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Old January 29 2015, 08:57 PM   #15
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The beautiful thing is, something doesn't have to be "the most popular" for a person to enjoy it and talk about it to others.
Absolutely. Don't take me wrong, i like both, just prefer Star Trek, and perhaps i explained myself in a bad way. My point is, that here where i live anyway, is very common you see Star Wars references around, and not as nearly as Star Trek ones, also, the characters from Star Wars appear in a very large scale along the market.

My point is simply this: Wouldn't that make worse for the new generation of people to actually even try to watch Star Trek with all that stuff telling that Wars is better? I say this because i am, a young trek fan, and i am surprised by the number of people that don't even KNOW Star Trek at all. I'm just saying that if we had more "Live long and prosper" as we have "I am your father" things could be different...
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