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Old September 17 2013, 05:43 PM   #31
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Umm... pistol-whipped a fellow officer, tied her up in the back seat of his cruiser, aided and abetted a suspect in multiple homicides. It couldn't have been much clearer.
I meant why they arrested Crane.
Remember the context: The cops are a crisis mode, the sheriff and a local resident have just been decapitated, there's a lot of a confusion, and a suspicious stranger has suddenly showed up, acting strangely. Under the circumstances, I can see a rattled cop picking up Crane for questioning . . . .
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Old September 17 2013, 05:44 PM   #32
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But it was Cho's character who picked him up so there was probably an ulterior motive to it.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:41 PM   #33
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There is talk going around that the female cop said "be on the look out for a guy wearing old style clothing" and that the scene had to be cut for time.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:57 PM   #34
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^That was my suspicion. Seems a rather important thing to cut, though. I'm sure they could've picked up a few stray seconds elsewhere.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:12 PM   #35
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I laughed when I saw that Clancy Brown got decapitated! There can be only one!

Oddly enough, Death reminded of the Terminator when he was moving/using the machine gun!
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Old September 17 2013, 10:37 PM   #36
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So, I guess the story of Ichabod and the horseman does not exist in-universe.
One of the first things I said to my husband when no one had heard of Ichabod Crane.
I was thinking about the Washington Irving/"The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" problem (in other words, their apparent non-existence in-universe) this morning.

I don't think, as yet, that we can rule out the non-existence of Irving or his story. Okay, yes, the interrogation of Crane is the obvious point where it should come up -- "Ichabod Crane, like in the story?" -- but that's not a fatal problem because it's just as likely that Crane's eventual partner finds the whole Headless Horsemen thing absurd and difficult to believe because she (and everyone) knows the story. After all, if someone's going to run around and pretend to be the Headless Horseman, then Sleepy Hollow would be the place to do it, and if had beheaded someone pretending to be the Headless Horseman, then it would make sense to claim to be Ichabod Crane because that's obviously absurd and clearly a sign of mental illness.

If the story does exist in-universe, then what we've seen thus far in the series (admittedly, just one episode) is the truth behind the story that Irving wrote. Perhaps he had heard bits and pieces of the tale and filled in the blanks because he thought it was an interesting tale. Or perhaps someone, like the priest (who I thought was Christopher Plummer at first) or Katrina, fed Irving the story in a garbled way to cover the truth of what had happened in Sleepy Hollow in the 1770s, perhaps to throw the evil coven off the scent of the truth, adding another layer of secret history to the series.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:53 PM   #37
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No, that doesn't quite track. If the story was known in universe somebody would have made a comment. All we got as reactions were lack of recognition and disbelief.
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Old September 17 2013, 11:23 PM   #38
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The town's name is Sleepy Hollow, Orlando Jones' character is named Irving, and no one recognizes Ichabod's name as being the same as a fictional character. I think we can safely say that this show exists within a Washington Irving-less universe.

The show itself was a lot of fun. I enjoyed all the nods to Irving's work, the story held my interest and the two leads were pretty likable. Hope they continue to build on their strong start.

I knew I was hooked as soon as the female cop popped open that hidden file drawer. This is definitely my kind of show.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:17 AM   #39
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The town's name is Sleepy Hollow, Orlando Jones' character is named Irving, and no one recognizes Ichabod's name as being the same as a fictional character. I think we can safely say that this show exists within a Washington Irving-less universe.
Right -- just as Sherlock and Elementary take place in universes where there was no Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (or perhaps ones where he's known only for creating Professor Challenger and the Lost World). And just as all the Marvel movies take place in a universe where Stan Lee is just some old guy making brief cameos rather than the man who co-created the Marvel Universe in the 1960s.

Come to think of it...

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Did anyone else notice that they've basically mashed together two Washington Irving stories: Sleepy Hollow and Rip Van Winkle.
I submit that it's actually a mashup of three Irving characters, the third being George Washington. A great deal of our cultural mythology about Washington, like the cherry tree incident, was invented by Irving as part of his effort to give the youthful United States a richer foundational mythology like older European countries had. (He also invented a lot of the mythology about Columbus, like the fiction that he sailed to prove the world was round, something that educated people had in fact already known for millennia.)
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Old September 18 2013, 12:22 AM   #40
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The town's name is Sleepy Hollow, Orlando Jones' character is named Irving, and no one recognizes Ichabod's name as being the same as a fictional character. I think we can safely say that this show exists within a Washington Irving-less universe.
Right -- just as Sherlock and Elementary take place in universes where there was no Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (or perhaps ones where he's known only for creating Professor Challenger and the Lost World). And just as all the Marvel movies take place in a universe where Stan Lee is just some old guy making brief cameos rather than the man who co-created the Marvel Universe in the 1960s.
Or the way that the THE WALKING DEAD takes place in a world where the "zombie apocalypse" is not part of pop culture . . . and nobody uses the word "zombie." Perhaps that universe's George Romero made romantic comedies instead?

I'm going to guess that NBC's new DRACULA series doesn't reference Bram Stoker or Bela Lugosi either.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:52 AM   #41
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And, of course, Star Trek takes place in a future where there was no Star Trek TV series revolutionizing mass-media science fiction in the 1960s. I sometimes wonder what the Trek-universe media landscape in the 20th century would've been. Without the precedent of ST's success in syndication, George Lucas might not have been able to convince investors that the space adventure movie he wanted to make in the mid-'70s could turn a profit. And without TNG's success, would the first-run syndicated SF/fantasy boom of the '90s ever have happened?

Maybe that's why the only 20th-century sci-fi we've ever heard about in the Trek universe is the '40s Captain Proton serials...
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Old September 18 2013, 01:31 AM   #42
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Interesting pilot. I'll keep watching.

I wonder how often the Horseman will appear. Probably only four times a season or so, I'm guessing...
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Old September 18 2013, 01:33 AM   #43
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I really enjoyed the pilot. I like the cast, the supernatural mythology is interesting, and it seems like it should have a fair amount of humor, which is something I like.
I'm curious what kind of a role Katrina will have, because she was listed in the main cast.
I'm wondering if she's going to just pop up in visions and flashbacks like here, or if they will eventually bring her out of whatever limbo she's in into the modern world. Didn't she make a reference to needing to be rescued?
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Old September 18 2013, 01:57 AM   #44
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^Clancy Brown was listed in the main cast too, which is why I think he'll have a regular vocal presence at the very least. Then again, some shows these days change their "main cast" credits week to week depending on who's featured or not.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:20 AM   #45
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Or the way that the THE WALKING DEAD takes place in a world where the "zombie apocalypse" is not part of pop culture . . . and nobody uses the word "zombie." Perhaps that universe's George Romero made romantic comedies instead?
Do cheese zombies exist in the world of The Walking Dead though?

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^Clancy Brown was listed in the main cast too, which is why I think he'll have a regular vocal presence at the very least. Then again, some shows these days change their "main cast" credits week to week depending on who's featured or not.
Brown wasn't in the main cast. He got the "and" credit during the guest star listings.

Guest star John Cho, Nestor Serrano and Clancy Brown, to be exact.
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