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Old January 2 2014, 02:46 PM   #91
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Re: Are we forgetting why Spock is a great character?

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So the strength of friendship is dictated first and foremost by how long you've been friends with someone? That's news to me.
Well sure it is.

You think a friendship that just got started is as meaningful and deep as one that has continued to develop over a lifetime of esperiences?
He did say "first and foremost", not "one of".

It's a cop-out for nuSpock. Everytime he gets in a pickle he can just call himself.
Yeah, I would've prefered if he passed the torch in '09 and we didn't see him again, especially for a pointless scene.
It most certainly is. Are you saying nuTrek is in a mirror universe?
The timeline has been altered and the circumstances different. Spock's life has taken a very different turn so, yes, in a way, it's a different one.
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No bias in the term at all. I call it "old" Trek.
I saw STID twice in the theaters. Both times I sat in a seat where I could gage the reaction of the audience. What I saw when Kirk died, and Spock lost it was lost of heads shaking (probably the "old" trekkies" and actual LAUGHING! Those "new" viewers actually were laughing! I didn't see a wet eye in the theater. Why? Because that reaction just wasn't earned.
You could discern their thoughts from your seat ? Those were good tickets !
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Old January 3 2014, 12:01 PM   #92
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There might not be a lot of films left for this cast (at this rate, a hypothetical sixth movie would be released in 2025, unless the cast loves Trek that much and wants to keep making more beyond a fourth film, I can't see that happen),
I thought the plan was just to do a trilogy?
When did anyone ever say it was planned as a trilogy? I keep seeing this idea pop up in message boards, but I have never heard anything official about it. I hope it's not just a trilogy, because that's kind of lame and unimaginative. Plus, it would be a shame if the series were to end at #3, just when they started their five year mission. And why should it end at #3? Because trilogies have become a thing after Star Wars?
As far as I know, the trilogy thing comes from the actors contracts, which included the option of two sequels should the original have proven successful. There is talk that Pine has signed for a fourth film, but I suspect that's from a website republishing a old '09 interview when ID was released and he says something like "I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I'm contracted for two more"

I too would like to see this version of Trek continue past a third movie (well... unless XIII turns out to be unimaginably awful)
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Old January 3 2014, 07:42 PM   #93
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I honestly can't imagine the Abrams series lasting much beyond a trilogy. Maybe they can get a fourth movie if they decide to make XIII a two-part story, such things are in and popular these days. But otherwise, there just isn't enough there to develop and continue. I don't see it going six movies, and I really have a hard time imagining any of these actors staying with the roles in the 2030s (25 years after XI).
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Old January 3 2014, 08:23 PM   #94
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There might not be a lot of films left for this cast (at this rate, a hypothetical sixth movie would be released in 2025, unless the cast loves Trek that much and wants to keep making more beyond a fourth film, I can't see that happen),
I thought the plan was just to do a trilogy?
Apparently, at least Chris Pine was signed for four movies.
Just because he signed doesn't mean the movies will actually be made. Some of the principal actors in the Lynch version of the Dune movie were contracted for movies of the first three Dune novels, but only the first one ever got made. It wouldn't be surprising if Pine has a "play or pay" contract, which would mean he would get some money out of it no matter if a fourth movie were made or not.
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Old January 4 2014, 11:19 AM   #95
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But otherwise, there just isn't enough there to develop and continue.
Compared to the original timeline ?
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But otherwise, there just isn't enough there to develop and continue.
Huh? The quadrant is their oyster.
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Old January 4 2014, 11:37 PM   #97
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But otherwise, there just isn't enough there to develop and continue.
Huh? The quadrant is their oyster.
Sure, but like always they'll probably just end up going back to earth!
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Old January 4 2014, 11:39 PM   #98
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An entire Star Trek universe, Kirk and crew are all in their prime, and there's nothing to develop and continue? Wormhole must be joking.

I'm not saying it's likely to go much beyond 3 movies, but after 50 years or episodes, movies, novels and fanfic there is definitely a LOT that can be done with these characters.
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Old January 5 2014, 12:07 AM   #99
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Sure, but like always they'll probably just end up going back to earth!
It's hard to argue otherwise when every really popular/financially-successful Trek tends to involve a threat to Earth, or time travel, or Klingons, or the Borg.
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Old January 5 2014, 02:25 AM   #100
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But otherwise, there just isn't enough there to develop and continue.
Huh? The quadrant is their oyster.
Sure, but like always they'll probably just end up going back to earth!
Within in the parameters of what the project seems to be -- mining Trek for bits likely to be known to a general audience -- they'll have pretty much reached the limit in three films. All that's left is maybe a movie with the Klingons as more than bit villains, and the Borg. (And maybe Q?)
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Old January 5 2014, 03:02 AM   #101
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Within in the parameters of what the project seems to be -- mining Trek for bits likely to be known to a general audience -- they'll have pretty much reached the limit in three films.
They've likely already reached that limit, but who says they have to keep mining classic Trek?
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Old January 5 2014, 04:24 AM   #102
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They've likely already reached that limit, but who says they have to keep mining classic Trek?
Really, that seems to be all they're aiming to do. With two movies, latest one borrows quite a lot from Trek lore and even recreates an entire scene from one of the movies. Even the tie-in material is just mining classic Trek. Half the ongoing comic series are just adaptations of TOS episodes and even the video game is just about the Gorn.

Sure, the Trek universe is limitless, but given the rather limited ambitions displayed in the Abramsverse so far, it can't last beyond a third movie.
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They've likely already reached that limit, but who says they have to keep mining classic Trek?
Really, that seems to be all they're aiming to do. With two movies, latest one borrows quite a lot from Trek lore and even recreates an entire scene from one of the movies. Even the tie-in material is just mining classic Trek. Half the ongoing comic series are just adaptations of TOS episodes and even the video game is just about the Gorn.

Sure, the Trek universe is limitless, but given the rather limited ambitions displayed in the Abramsverse so far, it can't last beyond a third movie.
From everything I've read and listened to from the producers, they plot the characters emotional arcs, journeys and stories first and then layer everything else around it.
If said arc can also be sprinkled with a bit of existing Trek lore on the way then they do that, if it can't then they don't try and shoehorn it in.

So perhaps the intention was just to do that for the first 3 movies and then the "reboot" will be strong enough to stand on its own two feet?
(I.E. the first one has Spock as a handover, the second and probably third has Kahn as a villain, meanwhile they seem to be laying the ground for a potential klingon war at some point in the future and that might will fuel a further couple of movies post number 3? )

Back on thread topic, in TOS the death of one starship full of Vulcans he didn't know made Spock emotional on some sort of telepathic level, and that's nothing compared to his entire planets worth of his race AND his own Mother dying in front of him, so it's no wonder he is slightly more on edge.

Also I wonder if his relationship with Uhura contains a mind meld element with the ensuing emotional transference?
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Old January 6 2014, 03:05 PM   #104
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And in two packed screenings, I did not hear a single sound that remotely hinted at laughter or any other derogatory thought.
Other than silent, stunned disbelief.
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And in two packed screenings, I did not hear a single sound that remotely hinted at laughter or any other derogatory thought.
Other than silent, stunned disbelief.
Or people could have actually been engrossed in the actual movie. I know I was.
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