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Old December 8 2013, 11:27 AM   #46
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Re: Haven Season 4 (Spoilers)

I'm still watching religiously, too, but I'm really engaged by the whole thing. I was kind of upset when Sheriff Carter turned out to be a bad guy, but I'm amazed at how well he plays that role-- talk about a character you love to hate.

The mysteries they've set up are very intriguing, and they keep giving us more information without answering anything. That's fine as long as they don't pull a Lost on us. It seems that William and Audrey are mad scientists or sorcerers from another dimension who decided to torment Haven for their own amusement-- due to the time differential, this has been going on for centuries. Agent Howard seems to represent another faction, maybe that world's law enforcement. Who knows? But I can't wait to find out.

As far as the other characters' seeming lack of curiosity, that's a fair point. But, on the other hand, these people are already steeped in weirdness, and their main priority is dealing with an escalating crisis.

The ratings, as far as I know, are stable compared to last year. Given that and Sciffy's history, I'm fairly confident that we'll get one more year. They may be setting up this year's finale to work as a series finale just in case, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:55 PM   #47
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Re: Haven Season 4 (Spoilers)

All fair points.

I think I'm worried about them going Lost on us. The more convoluted the mythology gets, the harder it is to weave it all back together into a coherent narrative.

If Agent Howard was a cop (or some such authority) from their world/dimension/whatever, then why was he Jennifer's adoption agent? And then now they just casually throw in the fact that Dave was adopted too? Hmm...

I do like how creepy and evil Sheriff Carter is. Excellent considering how effortlessly good he was in Eureka. But I think it's going on too long. JMHO.

Hopefully we'll get a solid finale before the long wait until next season.
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Old December 8 2013, 10:57 PM   #48
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I'm still watching, but really disliking whatever they've done. I like Duke's gf, that was fine. But the whole William thing....no matter how much I like the actor, and it's obvious he's trying to make something of the role, if the role and plot are so badly written, how much can he save it?
I agree, but we don't even know what's really going on. They've stretched this thing out so long...what is the deal? I asked earlier, what are they? Aliens? Pranksters from another dimension? Mischievous Gods? The lack of curiosity on the part of the other characters seems really strange to me.

I am still enjoying the series, don't get me wrong. I'm really hoping this all has a payoff.
I said I was watching, I didnít say I was enjoying.

Duke and his gf are more interesting to me than any of the others. Thatís kinda not good for the show. I mean, Duke IS a primary character, but...he shouldnít be the main reason to watch. Iím not watching for his looks, but because right now, heís the most interesting--and thatís not the main plot line.

How sad that the writers lost their way. Youíd think that show creators would have a general outline of the primary plot, the primary characters, what must happen, what must not happen (what must not happen to a character or what they must not say/do because itíll screw the primary plot).
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Old December 9 2013, 04:40 AM   #49
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Re: Haven Season 4 (Spoilers)

I really expected Audrey to put her hand on William at the end. Give HIM a trouble. I wonder if that is possible. Of course, she would be giving one to herself too...
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Old December 9 2013, 05:34 AM   #50
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They are immune and clearly not human.
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Old December 9 2013, 10:24 AM   #51
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They are definitely Human, since Audrey had a child with Nathan, but they are also immune-- they have to touch the Trouble Balls to use them.
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Old December 9 2013, 10:41 PM   #52
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Flesh suits.

Do I really have to say that they are clearly extra dimensional beings?
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Old December 9 2013, 11:35 PM   #53
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I'm still watching, but really disliking whatever they've done. I like Duke's gf, that was fine. But the whole William thing....no matter how much I like the actor, and it's obvious he's trying to make something of the role, if the role and plot are so badly written, how much can he save it?
I agree, but we don't even know what's really going on. They've stretched this thing out so long...what is the deal? I asked earlier, what are they? Aliens? Pranksters from another dimension? Mischievous Gods? The lack of curiosity on the part of the other characters seems really strange to me.

I am still enjoying the series, don't get me wrong. I'm really hoping this all has a payoff.
I said I was watching, I didnít say I was enjoying.

Duke and his gf are more interesting to me than any of the others. Thatís kinda not good for the show. I mean, Duke IS a primary character, but...he shouldnít be the main reason to watch. Iím not watching for his looks, but because right now, heís the most interesting--and thatís not the main plot line.

How sad that the writers lost their way. Youíd think that show creators would have a general outline of the primary plot, the primary characters, what must happen, what must not happen (what must not happen to a character or what they must not say/do because itíll screw the primary plot).
The writing on Haven has always been mediocre to poor. It's the chemistry of the three leads that keeps the show afloat. How they react to the troubles is interesting, but the troubles themselves are putrid.
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Old December 10 2013, 01:40 AM   #54
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They should have dropped the troubles in the third episode, and continued on as a massively successful romantic melodrama.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:27 AM   #55
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Flesh suits.

Do I really have to say that they are clearly extra dimensional beings?
Flesh suits don't have chromosomes. Humans have simply been migrating back and forth between the dimensions, and there are civilizations on both sides. Hopefully. Otherwise it would be pretty stupid.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:10 PM   #56
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Why do you think flesh suits don't have chromosomes?

Hers does, otherwise making babies would be quite difficult.
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Old December 10 2013, 05:16 PM   #57
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I long ago decided that HAVEN operates on dream-logic. Expecting it to make sense of it is just asking for for Trouble . . . .
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Old December 10 2013, 11:54 PM   #58
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I long ago decided that HAVEN operates on dream-logic. Expecting it to make sense of it is just asking for for Trouble . . . .
I see what you did there.
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Old December 11 2013, 10:38 AM   #59
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I guess my Trouble is that I expect Haven to at least make more sense than V: The Series.
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Old December 11 2013, 05:43 PM   #60
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So William isn't there for our water?
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