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Old September 15 2013, 01:15 PM   #16
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I disagree vehemently with Christopher that coming clean completely will benefit you.
Your vehemence is wasted, then. I did not say "will"; I said "might."
The important thing is, you were giving bad advice, no matter how you couched it, because you were speaking from a position of no experience. In such a case, vehemence is never wasted.

On another note, I'm glad the situation worked out.
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Old September 15 2013, 01:38 PM   #17
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Great success. The thief is going to lose his job tomorrow, the franchisee is grateful for the information I provided (and mildly embarrassed that he had been stooged for so long), and Nick escapes with a thank you instead of a visit to the police station.

Sometimes it pays to put self interest aside and do the right thing. Who knew?
Umm... (raises hand)
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Old September 15 2013, 01:56 PM   #18
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By the by, that bit about not poking around in other stores computer systems again - yeah, that's good advice. I'd hate to put myself in this position again.
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Old September 15 2013, 04:06 PM   #19
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Good story!

Did you put on a voice for the phone call? Hear any unusual clicking?
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Old September 15 2013, 04:24 PM   #20
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I'm unclear how that employee's scam works exactly. Could you explain it to me like I'm an idiot (which I may be, because I really don't get it)?

Anyway, nice that it had a good ending apparently.

eta: if it's just people paying for things and the employee pocketing the money himself and then cancelling the orders, I don't understand how he/she could ever think to get away with it.
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Old September 15 2013, 08:41 PM   #21
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There is a nice movement called a Moral Underground, where folks who are in some positions of power can help end some of the unfairness we often see.
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Old September 16 2013, 02:15 AM   #22
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eta: if it's just people paying for things and the employee pocketing the money himself and then cancelling the orders, I don't understand how he/she could ever think to get away with it.
That is exactly what was going on. I guess because they got away with it once they figured that they'd never get caught. But it was bound to happen eventually.

The franchisee told me that he looked at his report and estimates that this employee managed to embezzle several thousand dollars over the course of a couple of months.
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Old September 16 2013, 10:19 AM   #23
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But don't people complain when they don't receive the services they paid for, and shouldn't some supervisor get suspicious or at least curious when it happens multiple times in a short period of time?
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Old September 16 2013, 12:24 PM   #24
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I'd repoprt it. Not anonymousely but in person. Go to the boss and show him what's going on. If he has even the vaguest idea of computer technology he will see that you didn't abuse the system but that others do.
If he sees that you are honest, you're sure to be promoted or at least get a reward.
If you don't get rewarded, you should tell the whole story to the press (and make them pay you well - it's a top story!)

By staying anonymous or not telling at all, you'll just make yourself suspicious if someone else reports the security breach. It might backfire wery badly on you.
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Old September 16 2013, 12:58 PM   #25
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Glad it worked out for you, Nick! And yes, please don't poke around other people's systems anymore. They really don't like that, and people do go to prison for it, no matter their intentions.
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Old September 16 2013, 01:26 PM   #26
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But don't people complain when they don't receive the services they paid for, and shouldn't some supervisor get suspicious or at least curious when it happens multiple times in a short period of time?
No, it's a pretty simple minded scam. People order their food, receive it, pay for it, and leave the store happy (usually). Then at the end of the night the manager decides that the store has made stacks of money and that some of it rightfully belongs to them. So they go into the system and randomly cancel orders. Then when they are cashing up there is $50 or $100 more in the till than there 'should' be, and that amount is quickly pocketed. Easy as, right?

Only problem is that the designers of the POS software have thought of this scam and so when a docket is cancelled it's not 'deleted' but rather 'marked as cancelled', along with when, who and why.

There is a report on the system that shows you cancelled orders - that's how I caught this guy - but not every franchisee has the nous to check it regularly.
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Old September 16 2013, 03:33 PM   #27
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Ah, I see, now I get it. Thanks for the explanation.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:40 PM   #28
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Congrats, Nick! I hope there's a rise in salary or a promotion in it for you!


Off topic: weird bug: my office computer didn't display half of this thread (hence my previuous post was rather outdated when posted). Has anyone experienced similar problems lately?
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Old September 16 2013, 11:35 PM   #29
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It's another entry for the resume, but I don't expect any raise or promotion or anything. Avoiding trouble and busting this guy is reward enough.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:41 PM   #30
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There seems to be an easy fix to this. Document a bunch of the events using the information from the system. Include the specific transaction numbers, amounts, times, person, etc. Make it clear that its all from their own system.

Submit that information anonymously. It will both alert them to the theft with enough detail that it should get them to act. It will also simultaneously alert them to the weakness in their system without indicating that it was you. Could fix to problems at once.

ETA: Ah, I see that it turned out nicely! Great!

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