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Old September 16 2013, 08:22 PM   #91
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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Praetor: Love your sig line, btw. That's probably my favorite line in all of TNG, and the one that best encapsulates what I personally think of as the "spirit" of STAR TREK . . . .
Thank you sir, agreed. It was a great line in "Q-Who?" and is still a great and appropriate line now.
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Old September 16 2013, 08:31 PM   #92
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Yeah, but all their papers, photos and books had the corners cut off.
Wasteful bastards!
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Old September 16 2013, 10:10 PM   #93
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Re: Not real Star Trek

It's real trek if it is set in the Star Trek universe; alternative, spinoffs, reboots or otherwise. Still Trek. JJ Trek is set at a point in the Prime universe's past, thus JJ Trek is Star Trek.

So the question is not whether it is Star Trek, the question should be whether it is good Star Trek.
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Old September 16 2013, 10:13 PM   #94
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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So the question is not whether it is Star Trek, the question should be whether it is good Star Trek.
And the answer for every episode and movie made since 1964 is 'Yes' and 'No'.
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Old September 16 2013, 10:24 PM   #95
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Mostly "yes," sometimes "no."
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Old September 16 2013, 10:46 PM   #96
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It's real trek if it is set in the Star Trek universe; alternative, spinoffs, reboots or otherwise. Still Trek. JJ Trek is set at a point in the Prime universe's past, thus JJ Trek is Star Trek.
You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

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Old September 16 2013, 10:51 PM   #97
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek
Perish the thought.
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Old September 16 2013, 10:54 PM   #98
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Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".
But none of us know Roddenberry well enough to answer that question.

I think Majel Barrett appearing in TNG, DS9, VOY and the first Abramsverse film is as close to knowing whether or not Gene "approved" as we'll ever get.
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Old September 16 2013, 11:02 PM   #99
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

Bob
Every film or TV series could be described as an interplay between artistry, commercialism, and vision. With Star Trek, we known exactly what supplies that vision: Roddenberry's worldview. I don't think that it must be "Roddenberry approved," but it must be in dialogue with his worldview. There have been dark chapters and violent confrontations throughough Trek, but in general, they have problematized heroism, something that doesn't happen in JJ Trek.
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Old September 16 2013, 11:05 PM   #100
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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It's real trek if it is set in the Star Trek universe; alternative, spinoffs, reboots or otherwise. Still Trek. JJ Trek is set at a point in the Prime universe's past, thus JJ Trek is Star Trek.
You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

Bob
In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter if he would approve? I seem to recall reading Gene saying something to the effect that he hopes the best days of Trek will be ushered in by someone other than him.

We can argue if we're there or not, given we have our varying personal likes and dislikes but it's continuing to grow and evolve. I personally don't much care for the JJverse as it doesn't seem that original, but maybe the 3rd movie will be better.

All drawing lines is going to do is put all the writers back into the Roddenberry box that turned out season 1 of TNG. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's not "real." Some may not like it, but those opinions don't constitute everyone else's reality.
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Old September 16 2013, 11:09 PM   #101
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It's real trek if it is set in the Star Trek universe; alternative, spinoffs, reboots or otherwise. Still Trek. JJ Trek is set at a point in the Prime universe's past, thus JJ Trek is Star Trek.
You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

Bob
But wouldn't this reasoning eliminate DS9, Voyager, and pretty much every movie except the first one? Please don't tell that The Wrath of Khan doesn't count as "real" Trek!
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Old September 16 2013, 11:14 PM   #102
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Re: Not real Star Trek

Every new iteration of Star Trek since the third season of TOS has been greeted with cries of it not being "real" Star Trek. No doubt this will continue to be the case for the forseeable future, if not longer.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:29 AM   #103
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It's real trek if it is set in the Star Trek universe; alternative, spinoffs, reboots or otherwise. Still Trek. JJ Trek is set at a point in the Prime universe's past, thus JJ Trek is Star Trek.
You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

Bob
But wouldn't this reasoning eliminate DS9, Voyager, and pretty much every movie except the first one? Please don't tell that The Wrath of Khan doesn't count as "real" Trek!
I never got what's supposed to be the problem with DS9. The pilot is so incredibly Trek. The whole sequence with Sisko talking to the prophets, explaining to them what linear existence is all about, is one of the best bits in Trek history. The station crew is multicultural, the stories address relevant contemporary problems, it makes a stand against racism and sexism with a black Captain and strong female characters.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:20 AM   #104
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Re: Not real Star Trek

I'm a Niner, myself, so I obviously agree with you here. DS9 was all about exploring the human condition. It's just that they managed to do much of it on a space station instead of a starship.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:21 AM   #105
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You are describing a franchise where anything labeled "Star Trek" automatically becomes Star Trek and that would make the original question of this thread somewhat meaningless and redundant.

Gene Roddenberry created and produced Star Trek and its most popular representatives, i.e. TOS and TNG, so the "real" Star Trek comes down to the question "would he have approved".

If this line isn't drawn than Star Trek is anything someone wants it to be and becomes indistinguishable from Star Wars and other series and franchises and their distinct properties.

Bob
But wouldn't this reasoning eliminate DS9, Voyager, and pretty much every movie except the first one? Please don't tell that The Wrath of Khan doesn't count as "real" Trek!
I never got what's supposed to be the problem with DS9. The pilot is so incredibly Trek. The whole sequence with Sisko talking to the prophets, explaining to them what linear existence is all about, is one of the best bits in Trek history. The station crew is multicultural, the stories address relevant contemporary problems, it makes a stand against racism and sexism with a black Captain and strong female characters.
I was just referring to the fact that Roddenberry had nothing to do with DS9's creation, so we'll never know if he would have "approved" of it. And we know he wasn't entirely happy about losing control of the TOS movies, although I think most of us consider them "real" Trek.
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