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Old September 10 2013, 06:27 PM   #46
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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Switch from an income tax to consumption tax. Tax what people buy, no loopholes.
This is generally considered a regressive idea, putting a disproportionate burden on the poor since they spend a large portion of their income on necessities.
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Old September 10 2013, 06:39 PM   #47
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House districts to be drawn by non-partisan commissions and term limits for congress: two terms for senators, four for representatives.
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Old September 10 2013, 06:51 PM   #48
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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Switch from an income tax to consumption tax. Tax what people buy, no loopholes.
This is generally considered a regressive idea, putting a disproportionate burden on the poor since they spend a large portion of their income on necessities.
There are ways to make it work. Make it not apply to food and other such necessities. Still regressive, but not as bad as a flat tax.

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House districts to be drawn by non-partisan commissions and term limits for congress: two terms for senators, four for representatives.
Yes on the first part, not convinced on the second. Simply putting limits on consecutive terms might be a better way to do it. Having people around who know how everything works and can mentor the newer members isn't a bad thing though.
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Old September 10 2013, 07:04 PM   #49
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Kathryn, do you know that being enrolled in grad level courses qualifies you for a deferment on those student loans? Also, what does the scholarship situation look like in the field where you want the advanced degree?
Sure, I could defer it. I could even defer them now if I wanted. Then owe an additional 70k after all my grad classes are complete lol.
Depending on the type of student load you have, your interest may not accrue while in deferment. Also, have you looked into Income Based Repayment?
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Old September 10 2013, 07:08 PM   #50
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

I could get behind limits on consecutive terms for congresscritters. At least it would force the government to shake things up regularly, and also give districts a chance to consider change now and then without forcing it on them long-term if they like who they've got.
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Old September 10 2013, 09:26 PM   #51
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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I already owe over 70k in student loans
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I still have over 20K in student loan debt
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Eh, I have about 200,000, so 70 seems nice
Urgh. I feel for you guys. I really do.
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Old September 10 2013, 11:20 PM   #52
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Actually defining what a "well regulated militia" is, regulate the sucker and by default make weapons only available to them.. and watch the US explode as laser gun nuts go on the barricade
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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My mother died last year so I am currently paying for her loan as well.
Why? Did you co-sign for your mother?
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Old September 11 2013, 12:17 AM   #54
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Yeah, you shouldn't have to pay the student loan debts of another party - certainly not if they were government loans.
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Old September 11 2013, 05:13 AM   #55
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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Actually defining what a "well regulated militia" is, regulate the sucker and by default make weapons only available to them.. and watch the US explode as laser gun nuts go on the barricade
To hell with the 2nd Amendment. We don't need a well-regulated militia - we have the military. We did not have it when the amendment was written, but we have it now.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:17 PM   #56
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I think the National Guard is probably the closest equivalent to what the FF had in mind.
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Old September 11 2013, 06:33 PM   #57
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Actually defining what a "well regulated militia" is, regulate the sucker and by default make weapons only available to them.. and watch the US explode as laser gun nuts go on the barricade
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Lose the first line and just keep the second, which is more likely what the Founding Fathers actually wanted (maybe add the words "and amunition" following the word "arms").

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Old September 11 2013, 06:44 PM   #58
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The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Lose the first line and just keep the second, which is more likely what the Founding Fathers actually wanted (maybe add the words "and amunition" following the word "arms").

If that's what they actually wanted, they would have written it that way.
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Old September 11 2013, 10:12 PM   #59
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The Founding Fathers intended it to ensure the right of the states to provide for their own security. It didn't become an individual right until the 14th Amendment Incorporation Doctrine.

It is now an individual right to keep and bear arms that are reasonably necessary to provide for the security of oneself and one's family. It certainly doesn't cover assault weapons.

Unfortunately, the conventional wisdom among conservatives is that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure the ability of people to rise up and overthrow the government by military force if they don't like the outcome of an election. I think it plainly obvious that this was not the purpose of the Amendment, but good luck trying to explain that to anyone on the political right.
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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Actually defining what a "well regulated militia" is, regulate the sucker and by default make weapons only available to them.. and watch the US explode as laser gun nuts go on the barricade
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Lose the first line and just keep the second, which is more likely what the Founding Fathers actually wanted (maybe add the words "and amunition" following the word "arms").

We're talking about Constitutional Amendments. Why does original intent matter? Isn't the whole point of an amendment to do something not originally intended?
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