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Old September 9 2013, 06:07 PM   #31
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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I already owe over 70k in student loans
Holy shit. No matter how many times I see them, US students fees frightens me to death.
Yeah, it's obnoxious how much this crap costs. I had a lot of help from my parents, who basically paid most of my tuition, and I still have over 20K in student loan debt, five years after I graduated.

I can qualify for all those student loans, but I can't qualify for a damn mortgage. We have a whole generation of people who won't be able to be homeowners because they've already acquired too much debt from going to school.

I don't necessarily think higher education should be free, but I do think there need to be laws in place limiting how much a school can charge.
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Old September 9 2013, 06:30 PM   #32
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Line-item veto.
Not just the President, I would like to see senators and representatives have a version of it too.

They could go through a final omnibus spending bill and vote yes or no on each budget item. Important stuff goes through, leave behind the "fluff."

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Old September 9 2013, 07:43 PM   #33
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The 28th Amendment would be for NASA's budget to be increased to 2.5% of the National budget, and that only a 100% no vote from the House and Senate could ever decrease NASA's budget, but it would only take 1/4 vote in either House or Senate to automatically increase NASA's budget, with no Presidential signature needed.
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Old September 9 2013, 07:57 PM   #34
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I'll depart from the usual abolish the income tax.
Not abolish it. Just redirect it so that the rich carry the load.

It makes sense. They're the ones with the money, after all.

Oh, wait. I said "It makes sense". It'll NEVER happen.
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Old September 9 2013, 08:12 PM   #35
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My issue is currently...I do not think that obtaining a Masters or Doctorate degree should be limited only to persons who have the extra money to put out after already putting out so much for their undergrad.

I had a 3.8 GPA in both of my undergrad degrees (Literature was one, Anthropology another). In order to obtain a Masters in Anthropology (which I would qualify for based on grades) or even going back to school for a different field of study would currently be an impossibility for me. I already owe over 70k in student loans and have massive bills for other things (rent, car, insurance, etc.).

Therefore, even though I would gladly keep my 9-hour day, steady job and go to grad school at night and even though I am certain that I could go do it and be successful at it, I cannot do it because of monetary restraints.
Many employers will reimburse tuition for classes or advanced degrees relating to the field of employment. Yours does not?
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Old September 9 2013, 09:02 PM   #36
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My issue is currently...I do not think that obtaining a Masters or Doctorate degree should be limited only to persons who have the extra money to put out after already putting out so much for their undergrad.

I had a 3.8 GPA in both of my undergrad degrees (Literature was one, Anthropology another). In order to obtain a Masters in Anthropology (which I would qualify for based on grades) or even going back to school for a different field of study would currently be an impossibility for me. I already owe over 70k in student loans and have massive bills for other things (rent, car, insurance, etc.).

Therefore, even though I would gladly keep my 9-hour day, steady job and go to grad school at night and even though I am certain that I could go do it and be successful at it, I cannot do it because of monetary restraints.
Many employers will reimburse tuition for classes or advanced degrees relating to the field of employment. Yours does not?
Nope, not even if I did want to go for something related to my current occupation.

I currently work in the gaming industry (online games), but I want to either get my Masters in Anthropology (in that field, you need your masters OR your doctorate to do any kind of work in the field) OR I want to go for Computer Science / Web Design. My company does not sponsor any further education nor do my parents or I have money to put out for it. My parents apparently paid for "half" of my undergrad, yet I still owe an obscene amount of money. My mother died last year so I am currently paying for her loan as well. Combine that with normal bills, there is nothing left to spare for me to take any classes.

I am not in the pay bracket that would allow me to go for free or even with a lot of aid. Therefore, I do not make enough money to go back, yet I make too much to be considered for aid.

Not everyone's parents are rich...not everyone even has both parents around to pay for anything. I think a lot of people who have wealthy parents take that for granted. It's not just hard work getting your grad degrees...sometimes even when you WANT to do the work, you are unable because of financial reasons and I think that is very sad. I think qualifying for a grad program should be based first and foremost on grades/qualification/passion and not how much money you have. I feel as though it's restricted to those of a certain pay bracket.

Anyway, this has nothing really to do with the Constitution unless you consider higher education to be a fundamental right granted to all citizens.
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Old September 9 2013, 09:29 PM   #37
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Anyway, this has nothing really to do with the Constitution unless you consider higher education to be a fundamental right granted to all citizens.
That is a question worth asking, I think. Once upon a time, only select people went off and got college degrees. Now we live in a time where a college degree is expected of us. If the job market and economy requires that we have higher education, shouldn't we then be entitled to it at a much more reasonable cost?
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Old September 9 2013, 10:57 PM   #38
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FairTax.
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Old September 10 2013, 01:20 AM   #39
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Just like with the budget, I generally feel that taxes are a matter of policy better left to the current government and not set by the constitution, due to the changes in need and priority at any given time. If you want some kind of limit on exactly what can be taxed or who can do the taxing, that is valid but it should be presented as such rather than as some specific plan.
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Old September 10 2013, 01:22 AM   #40
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Kathryn, do you know that being enrolled in grad level courses qualifies you for a deferment on those student loans? Also, what does the scholarship situation look like in the field where you want the advanced degree?
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Old September 10 2013, 05:18 AM   #41
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

RandyS wrote: View Post
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I'll depart from the usual abolish the income tax.
Not abolish it. Just redirect it so that the rich carry the load.

It makes sense. They're the ones with the money, after all.

Oh, wait. I said "It makes sense". It'll NEVER happen.
You don't need a constitutional amendment for that.
CNN: The rich pay majority of U.S. income taxes
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Old September 10 2013, 12:42 PM   #42
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Re: If you were to create a 28th amendment.

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I already owe over 70k in student loans
Holy shit. No matter how many times I see them, US students fees frightens me to death.
Eh, I have about 200,000, so 70 seems nice

I'm going to suggest one of two things to further democracy.

One would maximize the ability to vote. This would include bans on laws by states that impair the right to vote unless narrowly tailored and strictly necessary (both ensuring the ability to vote and access to polls). It would guarantee citizens could continue to vote, even if they're felons. Finally, it would give Congress the power to set national standards for any voting restrictions, such as voter IDs (provided at no cost) rather than have this done by local politics, which can more easily disenfranchise the minority.

The other proposal would be a DC home rule and voting rights act or, alternatively, a statehood proposal for DC (which I think can be done legislatively, but would require a repeal of the 23rd Amendment). I think efforts should be made to incorporate all non-voting territories into our democracy, but to have 600,000 people in the core of our country unable to have their local interests represented nationally is ridiculous. The home rule amendment would codify the ability of DC to control their local affairs (particularly their budget) without the federal government meddling into whatever pet project their concerned about. It would guarantee at least representation in either the House of Representatives or both houses. Statehood would obviously guarantee representation in both as well as give them full protections from federal meddling that other states get as quasi-sovereign entities.
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Old September 10 2013, 02:27 PM   #43
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Ah yes, DC statehood as well. Create a completely new state out of most of DC and shrink the actual district down to the actual apparatus of government, such as the White House, Capitol Building, National Mall, etc.
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Old September 10 2013, 04:27 PM   #44
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Kathryn, do you know that being enrolled in grad level courses qualifies you for a deferment on those student loans? Also, what does the scholarship situation look like in the field where you want the advanced degree?
Sure, I could defer it. I could even defer them now if I wanted. Then owe an additional 70k after all my grad classes are complete lol.
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Old September 10 2013, 05:53 PM   #45
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Switch from an income tax to consumption tax. Tax what people buy, no loopholes.
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