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Old September 7 2013, 11:56 PM   #16
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Re: Re-writing the climax of STiD

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Here's my fix for the physics problems:
-- Get rid of the transporter. Impossible.
-- Get rid of warp drive. Trek-type warping is not possible.
-- Get rid of artificial gravity. Not possible (unless the ship is rotating).
I think all these are possible and acceptable.
Want to fix physics problems? Just get rid of the Enterprise underwater scene. It's impossible, the ship could never deal with the pressure.
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Old September 8 2013, 12:31 AM   #17
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Pressure? As in, "Oh no! Whatever will the other starships think of me now?"

Agreed.
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Old September 8 2013, 09:20 AM   #18
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After getting her nacelles soaking wet and her exhaust port filled with sand, she tried to kill herself, stranding herself on the edge of the neutral zone like a desperate whale stranding himself on the beach. No, that was not Marcus. Can you imagine her embarrassment when the Vengeance saw her there? All she wanted was to flee and jump to her death from somewhere high.
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Old September 11 2013, 01:25 PM   #19
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Why is it that Into Darkness needs a re-write because of apparent physics problems when every other Trek movie or episode is riddled with stuff like this?

It is selective suspension of disbelief or just haters looking for legitimate excuse to pick the film to death.


By the way those "fixes" adds no value to the film, so I'll have to pass too.
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Old September 11 2013, 02:35 PM   #20
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The only two conclusive changes I would've made: keep Kirk dead for two-three years until resurrecting him at the beginning of the third film, and putting Khan down for good.

If Khan IS brought back for film three you'd almost certainly have to kill him then, to keep the concluding plots sufficiently different.
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Old September 12 2013, 01:29 PM   #21
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Re: Re-writing the climax of STiD

How about instead of having the Enterprise crashing into Earth, she almost crashes into the moon? It's literally right there. And when power is back, the crew notice that the vengeance, despite being damaged, has enough power to crash somewhere on Earth. The Enterprise, despite being crippled and her weapons gone, tries to intercept the Vengeance and figure out a way of stopping it. As both ships plummet through the atmosphere, the Enterprise tries using it's Tractor Beam to stop the Vengeance, but it doesn't work. The crew than decide to push the engines a little bit to get over the Vengeance and use the tractor beam to push the Vengeance into the coast before it hits the city. This way they stop the ship from crashing into San Francisco and you can still have your chase sequence when Khan escapes the Vengeance into SF.

Sure you'll lose the SF crash, but at least this will give the Enterprise a triumphant moment over the Vengeance. I just hate how they had the Vengeance pass by the Enterprise with the crew noticing yet nobody tries to do anything stop her from crashing into SF. They don't even say "We don't have power!" or "Engines are down!". Nothing.
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Old September 12 2013, 02:19 PM   #22
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Kirk, Khan, and Marcus all meet up on the Vengeance bridge and eat ice cream. Marcus laughs and jokes about how he nearly killed the two of them and Kirk, forgetting who he's talking to, talks about seeing Carol in her underwear. After thirty seconds awkward silence, Khan crushes Marcus's skull simply so he can steal Marcus's ice cream and then asks Kirk more questions about Carol.
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Old September 12 2013, 03:47 PM   #23
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Kirk, Khan, and Marcus all meet up on the Vengeance bridge and eat ice cream. Marcus laughs and jokes about how he nearly killed the two of them and Kirk, forgetting who he's talking to, talks about seeing Carol in her underwear. After thirty seconds awkward silence, Khan crushes Marcus's skull simply so he can steal Marcus's ice cream and then asks Kirk more questions about Carol.
This is good. It would've worked. If I could suggest any tweak at all to carry it over the top, they should be sitting on the floor of the bridge around a holographic campfire. Kirk whispers something in Khan's ear and Khan looks over at Carol with a knowing grin. As the camera pans out, they all break out singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat or a Gilbert and Sullivan tune (either would work). Cue fanfare and closing credits.
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Old September 12 2013, 04:53 PM   #24
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Kirk, Khan, Marcus and a Klingon.
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Old September 12 2013, 05:17 PM   #25
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Re: Re-writing the climax of STiD

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Kirk, Khan, and Marcus all meet up on the Vengeance bridge and eat ice cream. Marcus laughs and jokes about how he nearly killed the two of them and Kirk, forgetting who he's talking to, talks about seeing Carol in her underwear. After thirty seconds awkward silence, Khan crushes Marcus's skull simply so he can steal Marcus's ice cream and then asks Kirk more questions about Carol.
This is good. It would've worked. If I could suggest any tweak at all to carry it over the top, they should be sitting on the floor of the bridge around a holographic campfire. Kirk whispers something in Khan's ear and Khan looks over at Carol with a knowing grin. As the camera pans out, they all break out singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat or a Gilbert and Sullivan tune (either would work). Cue fanfare and closing credits.
I'll just say for the record that one of us enjoys TREK V more than IV and leave it alone.
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Old September 12 2013, 06:10 PM   #26
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Kirk, Khan, Marcus and a Klingon.
And a pizza place.
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Old September 12 2013, 06:36 PM   #27
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Kirk, Khan, Marcus and a Klingon.
And a pizza place.

Sounds like the start to a bad joke.

As far as changes, the only thing I would change is Khan's magical blood and shorten the ending a bit.
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Old September 12 2013, 07:24 PM   #28
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The giant Constitution Class model of the Biddeford over Marcus' desk drops on him during his meeting with Kirk and Spock, impaling him with a crappy quality model nacelle.

Khan dies a few days later from a dodgy batch of Gahk he bought from a flee market.

Starfleet finds the Vengeance and detonates her to prevent war with the Klingons, vapourising the "experimental torpedoes" onboard.

Then they all have a good laugh, shrug off all the horrible things that just happened and warp away to the strains of bad stock music.
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Old September 12 2013, 07:43 PM   #29
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I never found the plummeting ships scene very interesting. Just didn't excite me. By the same token, in 09, once Nero is destroyed, there is a bit more tacked on where the Enterprise has to escape the black hole. While the cracks in the bridge and view screen look great on screen, I just felt like this is all extra, and that the action/ plot elements had already peaked prior to this moment. In STiD this "extra" action takes a looong time to play out, despite the guts of the story having been previously resolved.

By comparison, I think (even with it's flaws) First Contact is one of the best-paced blockbuster-style films I've ever seen. They are constantly moving the story forward. And guess what? Both the A and B story climax at exactly the same time, and there isn't an "extra action denouement just for the sake of it. The Borg Queen dies at the same time the first warp flight happens. It's great stuff.

Endings to action movies are tricky, and this kind of thing happens a lot. Lethal Weapon is a fantastic movie, but the fight scene at the end in the rain between Riggs and Mr. Joshua is superfluous, but we had to see these two guys have it out because of their rivalry. I wish they made this fight necessary to the story. And what makes it worse is that Donner can't really stage an easy-to-follow fight in the dark when it's raining.

I just felt that the "plunging ships into the atmosphere wasn't very interesting." Then again, although I can see why they did it, and (one some level I can appreciate the purpose of the Kirk/ Spock role reversal) I just didn't like them quoting from a better film. Plus, the technical aspects are a bit unclear. In TWOK, Spock was repairing the warp engines so the ship could go to warp! In STiD, Kirk was repairing to warp core sop... the ship could activate shields and ignite a shit-ton of stupid little rockets located all over the hull? T
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Ocri asked if we could do it better. So, here's my shot. A little editing would have sufficed.

Kirk et al. have captured Khan on the edge of Klingon space, and the Vengeance intercepts. The confrontation scene plays out as it does, until the Enterprise tries to warp away. At this point, the Vengeance lays some whoop-ass on them and temporarily disables their warp drive (they're already scanning the ship, so they obviously see the warp drive powering up, and also Marcus is expecting deception -- you don't become an Evil Admiral without that distrust). Carol Marcus interrupts the attack, and Scotty intervenes and cuts the Vengeance weapons systems, as we saw. Pretty much everything happens as in the movie, except instead of being between the Earth and Moon, they're in deep space.

Fast forward to Khan taking over the Vengeance, demanding the torpedoes, etc... Kirk et al. get beamed back ("No ship should go down without her captain!"), and just as Khan is about to destroy them, Chekov gets the warp drive back online and they flee to Earth.

Khan transwarps after them, catches up, pummels the ship. Just before the Enterprise is destroyed, the torpedoes explode. Both ships fall out of warp hurdling toward Earth, without power.

At this point, the rest of the movie can take place as shown. Seems pretty much the same, preserves all of the action scenes, without the plot fails. It circumvents the bad physics of the "fall" (except for the ship gravity bit), and the nonsensical idea that no one would even fly by to see why two starfleet vessels were attacking each other. I mean - if two US Navy vessels started shelling each other in New York Harbor, no one would ask 'what's up?'.

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That would be like me watching you spend hours building a house of cards to where you're nearly finished, at which point I say "you should put that last one on the top." I then place a sign in front of it that says "J. Allen's house of cards - do not touch."
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