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Old October 31 2013, 01:48 PM   #136
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Re: Pre TOS star cruiser....

^^ I have read the same thing regarding the nacelles. However, if you really look at the MJ design you can't help but notice that the nacelle domes aren't far from the saucer and it's the long slender pylons that create the illusion of the nacelles being set far from habitable parts of the ship. Note in both of my pre TOS cruiser designs the nacelle domes are similarly close to the saucer while the rest of the nacelles are set further away. Yes, there is a central section that supports the nacelles, but it's mostly the impulse engines and very little access for personnel in addition to being heavily shielded. And as starship design and construction methods evolve they will eventually be able to build seemingly fragile looking structures that are far stronger than they appear such as the engine pylons and support dorsal of MJ's design.
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Old November 1 2013, 01:20 AM   #137
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Here's a little comparison.

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Old November 1 2013, 03:41 PM   #138
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I love all of these.


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Old November 2 2013, 09:08 PM   #139
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Getting near the finish line. I want to add a viewport above the hangar bay doors and some tonal variations to the hull and then this one is finished.

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Old November 3 2013, 05:10 PM   #140
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What this image shows you are the kind of 2D line images SketchUp can export. What this means is that it will allow me to recreate exact line drawings when it comes time to make the schematics. And because I'm working from an existing model I don't have to "best guess" what something is supposed to look like from different angles--SketchUp will have done that with precision already for me. Note, too, that there are some things that don't appear as lines (notably on the side of the dorsal) because those edges actually have rounded edges. A curve appears only if it appears as an edge from the p.o.v. of the viewer, in this case as seen directly in side elevation. In my models I try to incorporate a certain level of detail including edges that could actually be rounded.



Regarding window arrangement I must confess to a degree of fudging in terms of deck levels. I didn't do any sort of actual cross section to lay things out with precision. Rather I spaced out decks in a general way and then slapped in some windows along those guidelines with the general assumption the windows would be a bit more than halfway up the bulkheads. I did assume the possibility of not all decks being having the same ceiling height and between decks structures (floors/ceiling) would have a measure of mechanicals between them. I think that allows me the flexibility to rationalize why windows levels might not all be evenly spaced. One thing in particular I quite like with this kind of graphic is that it can show what something like signage and lettering correctly looks like in a 2D image. Lettering on a cylinder would actually look just a bit squashed. Seen from above the ship's name on the saucer wouldn't look straight but actually slightly curved because it's laying on a compound curve surface angling away from your p.o.v.
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Old November 5 2013, 01:30 AM   #141
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You have taken Hercules forward. What may have come before? An enzmann starhip with a bulb at the head that became living quarters--pointing towards the Daedalus?
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Old November 5 2013, 01:32 AM   #142
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You have taken Hercules forward. What may have come before? An enzmann starhip with a bulb at the head that became living quarters--pointing towards the Daedalus?
I'm shifting gears for a bit. My next project will be a TOS era ship: my take on the FJ type destroyer, what I call the Masao-class.


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Old November 5 2013, 04:18 PM   #143
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For some reason, the lower left looks really fake to me... I bet it's the lighting... But the other three are freakin' awesome. You have real talent!


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Old November 5 2013, 05:18 PM   #144
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For some reason, the lower left looks really fake to me... I bet it's the lighting... But the other three are freakin' awesome. You have real talent!


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Odd, because the lighting levels are exactly the same in all of them. Because of the slightly reflective nature of the hull it reflects some light onto other surfaces and so areas in shadow can still have a small measure of light in them. The only parts that would be completely dark are where no light could possibly be reflected onto. The background is basically a circular wall or screen image around the model, one that I sometimes have to adjust in offset (up or down) depending on the angle or view I have of the model, but no light or reflection comes off the background. The background does have some element of depth to it because I used Photoshop to create the scene in several layers and then I finished it as an HDR image. This allows me to put the model right within a more realistic setting when rendered.
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Old November 5 2013, 11:59 PM   #145
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Gorgeous work as always, Warped9.
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Old November 7 2013, 07:32 PM   #146
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Nice work here.

That's a rather large ship for the TOS-era, isn't it?
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Old November 7 2013, 07:37 PM   #147
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Nice work here.

That's a rather large ship for the TOS-era, isn't it?
It's deceptive because of it's chunky look. It's actually about 250 feet shorter that the TOS Enterprise and correspondingly not as wide or tall either.
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Old November 9 2013, 09:05 PM   #148
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Spot on.
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You've created a beautiful and believable lineage in these ships. I really love them.
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Old November 13 2013, 05:29 AM   #150
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You've created a beautiful and believable lineage in these ships. I really love them.
Thanks. It occured to me today that this is one of the few things that has stayed with me as long as I can remember. I've been drawing spaceships since I can recall first holding a pencil and I've never stopped being fascinated with it.
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