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Old September 17 2013, 05:17 AM   #496
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I think that Lost in Space movie ruined that franchise.
Regardless of how bad the movie was, how do you "ruin" a franchise that hadn't been on the air in thirty years before the movie came out and whose only spin-off up to that point was a failed Saturday morning cartoon pilot in 1972? If anything, you could argue that the movie possibly helped with creating interest in rebooting the TV series in 2003, but unfortunately that pilot wasn't picked up either (which had nothing to do with the movie).
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Old September 17 2013, 05:29 AM   #497
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Which he has done, in my opinion. I'd love it if there was a TV show running parallel to the films. The show could do the more hardcore sci-fi stuff, while the films could be more mainstream. That's how Star Trek has worked in the past. I heard that JJ wanted to make a TV show, but that Paramount won't greenlight it.
It's probably up to CBS, and they don't look interested in a series.
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Old September 17 2013, 05:38 AM   #498
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I think that Lost in Space movie ruined that franchise.
Regardless of how bad the movie was, how do you "ruin" a franchise that hadn't been on the air in thirty years before the movie came out and whose only spin-off up to that point was a failed Saturday morning cartoon pilot in 1972? If anything, you could argue that the movie possibly helped with creating interest in rebooting the TV series in 2003, but unfortunately that pilot wasn't picked up either (which had nothing to do with the movie).
Yes probably a bit of hyperbole there. Maybe I should have said there was probably a lost opportunity there. TV series and movies have a lot of other factors involved.

If the Lost In Space movie had been a greater success then logically you might think there was a greater chance of rebooting a TV series or at least another movie.

I'm also thinking about the Thunderbirds movie. Surely if that had been better received they might have done something about the Thunderbirds.
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Old September 17 2013, 05:49 AM   #499
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Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.
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Old September 17 2013, 06:18 AM   #500
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I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that Paramount mandated the films be based on TOS.
I don't know if that's true, but a semi reliable blog had said Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller were quickly dismissed from Star Trek 3 after proposing a story that took place partly in the Prime universe.

I think Paramount wants what it wants, and Abrams was never given carte blanche to do anything he pleased. I can recall that he wanted to destroy an older Enterprise and Paramount made him change it to the Kelvin, so we know they have the last, and possibly first, word.

The notion of the all-powerful Abrams doing anything he wants with Star Trek is a myth.
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Old September 17 2013, 06:40 AM   #501
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The notion of the all-powerful Abrams doing anything he wants with Star Trek is a myth.
Myths do tend to play better, though, when the monsters are truly monstrous and may commit their foul deeds sans the need for prior studio approval.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:50 AM   #502
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I don't know if that's true, but a semi reliable blog had said Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller were quickly dismissed from Star Trek 3 after proposing a story that took place partly in the Prime universe.
Link, please?
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Old September 17 2013, 01:10 PM   #503
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I don't know if that's true, but a semi reliable blog had said Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller were quickly dismissed from Star Trek 3 after proposing a story that took place partly in the Prime universe.
Link, please?
Or if not Link, at least Zelda

Hmmmm...Archer's NX-01 Enterprise would be the only prior one we'd recognize, and it would long since be in mothballs. Plus with all the slanders thrown at Abrams for wanting to piss off the fans, why would he fire someone for suggesting something that would piss off those fans? It really is amazing the lengths that people will go to to put Abrams in a bad light. One would think, if he went to the trouble of hiring someone, he wouldn't fire them for coming up with a proposal he didn't want, he'd merely tell them to try again, and probably give them a direction to go in.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:19 PM   #504
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Bob Orci chats with the folks at Mission Logs Podcast about INTO DARKNESS, fan criticism and why Khan:

http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/supplemental/
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Old September 17 2013, 01:22 PM   #505
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Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.
"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

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Old September 17 2013, 09:16 PM   #506
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Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.
"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

The kid with the sweet medallion looks nervous.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:34 PM   #507
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Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.
"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

The kid with the sweet medallion looks nervous.
Those are Nimoy's children, aren't they? The girl looks totally unimpressed.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:48 PM   #508
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Bob Orci chats with the folks at Mission Logs Podcast about INTO DARKNESS, fan criticism and why Khan:

http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/supplemental/
It's nearly an hour and a half and it really is fantastic. What is truly amazing is how the hosts managed to bring up points they didn't like about the movie without calling Bob a hack or claiming that he has ruined Star Trek. Man, that must have been hard for them to do.

Seriously It is totally worth listening too, and Bob pretty much calls a lot of criticism 'fair points'. He is anything but combative.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:50 PM   #509
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Seriously It is totally worth listening too, and Bob pretty much calls a lot of criticism 'fair points'. He is anything but combative.
It's amazing that if you actually act civil towards someone, they may act civil back.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:05 PM   #510
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Pshaw. That's just nonsense you're talking.
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