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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 201 56.46%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 58 16.29%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 39 10.96%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 52 14.61%
I don't know. 6 1.69%
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Old October 21 2013, 11:32 PM   #406
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If they're going to toss the last 40 years and start over, they should just develop some other SF series that includes spaceships, heroic captains, aliens, etc. It seems to me as though they only want to call it "Star Trek" because it's a recognized brand name.
Okay, I have to ask: If Batman Begins was going to ignore all the previous Batman movies and TV series and start over again, should they have just invented another dark avenger of the night?

Of course not. Because the concept and the character do NOT equal the continuity. Batman Begins is no less a Batman movie for starting over from scratch than any new Star Trek project that keeps the basic idea but chucks the continuity of the previous versions.

(Plus, let's be honest: If they'd done what you suggest, but kept the transporters and starships and a prime directive and such, everyone would rightly accuse the "new" series of ripping off Star Trek!)
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Old October 22 2013, 12:30 AM   #407
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

I actually think there's something to what BillJ says about starting from scratch and inventing with the same sense of freedom the original show's creators did. But I do think that at a certain point, one may well be better off to just call it a new property -- especially if that would actually allow one to get away from transporters and prime directives and ships that only go to "M-class" planets. If enough of the specific concept were kept, one could still call it Trek, but a lot of the concept was based on budget constraints of Sixties television.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:31 AM   #408
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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If they're going to toss the last 40 years and start over, they should just develop some other SF series that includes spaceships, heroic captains, aliens, etc. It seems to me as though they only want to call it "Star Trek" because it's a recognized brand name.
Okay, I have to ask: If Batman Begins was going to ignore all the previous Batman movies and TV series and start over again, should they have just invented another dark avenger of the night?

Of course not. Because the concept and the character do NOT equal the continuity. Batman Begins is no less a Batman movie for starting over from scratch than any new Star Trek project that keeps the basic idea but chucks the continuity of the previous versions.

(Plus, let's be honest: If they'd done what you suggest, but kept the transporters and starships and a prime directive and such, everyone would rightly accuse the "new" series of ripping off Star Trek!)
Good point. I remember trying to tell people about Babylon Five when it was on, and was astounded at the number of people who literally could not wrap their head around this not being Star Trek.

"I really like it..."

"Yeah but I'm not into Star Trek."

"This isn't Star Trek."

"Oh, I know--but its set in the same universe."

"No. It isn't."

"I thought it was."

"Nope. Totally different."

"But its exactly like Star Trek."

"I like both and this isn't much like Star Trek at all."

"Yeah, but the exact same people did it, that's what I mean."

"Actually, they have nothing to do with one another."

"But it is just like Star Trek, right?"

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Old October 22 2013, 12:34 AM   #409
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Well, B5 did just fine for all that. Indeed it's partly thanks to Straczynski that I doubt one would have similar conversations about a new show starting today.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:40 AM   #410
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True story: Many years ago, an original sf novel fell into the hands of a copyeditor who didn't seem to realize that that Star Trek and science fiction were not one and the same, so he want through and "corrected" the manuscript to make it consistent with what he knew about Star Trek, changing the book's own terminology to "phasers," "warp drive," "Starfleet," etc.

Needless to say, all of this had to be undone before the book could be published!
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Old October 22 2013, 12:44 AM   #411
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

It occurs to me there are probably people who think Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones are the same thing.
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Old October 22 2013, 12:50 AM   #412
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It occurs to me there are probably people who think Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones are the same thing.
Absolutely. If you're not into the genre, it all looks the same to you. Just like some people think that all westerns are just the same old "cowboys and Indians" cliches. Or can't tell the difference between a good slasher movie and a piece of junk.

Or, worse yet, think that all vampire stories are just rip-offs of Twilight . . .
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Old October 22 2013, 01:02 AM   #413
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Or, worse yet, think that all vampire stories are just rip-offs of Twilight . . .
Perhaps what we need is moar glitter.
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Old October 22 2013, 01:05 AM   #414
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There was great bit on Big Bang Theory last season,when Amy got Star Wars and Star Trek mixed up.

"Star Trek," Penny corrected her. "Not Star Wars."

Amy: "What's the difference?"

Penny, coming clean: "There is NO difference!"


(Heck, I've been introduced as a "Star Wars author" more than once. Most of the time, I don't bother correcting people.)
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Old October 22 2013, 01:14 AM   #415
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There was great bit on Big Bang Theory last season,when Amy got Star Wars and Star Trek mixed up.

"Star Trek," Penny corrected her. "Not Star Wars."

Amy: "What's the difference?"

Penny, coming clean: "There is NO difference!"


(Heck, I've been introduced as a "Star Wars author" more than once. Most of the time, I don't bother correcting people.)
More than once I've heard people refer to Spider-man as "Superman".
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Old October 22 2013, 03:09 AM   #416
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Leonard Nimoy:[referring to the monorail] I'd say this vessel could do at least Warp Five.
[crowd laughs]
Mayor Quimby: And let me say, "May the Force be with you."
Leonard Nimoy: [annoyed] Do you even know who I am?
Mayor Quimby: I think I do. Weren't you one of the Little Rascals?
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Old October 22 2013, 04:10 PM   #417
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Or, worse yet, think that all vampire stories are just rip-offs of Twilight . . .
Perhaps what we need is moar glitter.
Real Vampires don't eat Quiche...Er...I mean don't glitter
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Old October 22 2013, 04:27 PM   #418
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^Maybe gay vampires do.
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Old October 22 2013, 04:58 PM   #419
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^Maybe gay vampires do.
I don't recall any quiche in "Carmilla."
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Old October 22 2013, 05:11 PM   #420
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^Maybe gay vampires do.
I don't recall any quiche in "Carmilla."
Completely off-topic--I am the author of The Annotated Carmilla and have written a play based on that story. We're having auditions this Saturday!
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