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Old December 16 2013, 06:36 PM   #541
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The NFL flexed the Chicago@Philly game into Sunday night for Week 16.

There's actually at least one scenario (pending the outcome of the other Week 15 and Week 16 games) by which it's already decided going into that game that the game is meaningless from a playoff perspective for Philly*, that they're out of wildcard contention, and that their only path into the playoffs is beating Dallas in Week 17 to win the NFC East.

So the NFL's move to put that game in primetime could potentially blow up in their face, if Philly is playing for nothing, and plays conservative with its starters to protect them from injury, looking ahead to the actually meaningful game against Dallas the following week.

I actually can't remember any previous years in which a team played a meaningless game in Week 16, before a meaningful game in Week 17, but I'm sure it's happened.

* This assumes that they don't care much whether they're the #3 or #4 seed…..which most teams don't seem to care much about, and which usually doesn't affect how many home games you have, though I guess the 2006 AFC playoffs would be one exception.
Looks like there's a very good chance of this scenario coming to pass. If Dallas wins its game against Washington next Sunday afternoon, then Philly will go into the Sunday night game against Chicago knowing that whether or not they win will have no bearing on whether they make the playoffs, since their only path into the playoffs is to win the East, which they could then only do by beating Dallas in the season finale.

So all they'd be playing for against Chicago is the possibility of being the #3 seed rather than the #4 seed, which might not even be much of a bonus depending on who their wild card opponents might be. In that case, there won't be much incentive for Philly to go all out in a game that doesn't mean very much for them. Kelly presumably won't hesitate to pull the starters if the game starts to get lopsided.
Is it to late for them to flex in another game? Either way, there are games that are more important for the playoffs than the Lions-Bears bearth.
When the NFL and the networks made the "flex" agreement for the schedules, one of the provisions was that during the lifetime of the contracts, the gap between the number of games flexed from CBS and FOX could be no greater than three. The NFL always wants the last Sunday night game of the season to be one of the most importance, so they want to be able to flex either a CBS or a FOX game for that evening -- if they took one from CBS, they'd only be able to get a FOX game for Week 17.
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Old December 16 2013, 10:45 PM   #542
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Double-post because of an entirely new topic: Let the hot seat discussion begin.

Word out of Minnesota is that while Rick Spielman will survive, Leslie Frazier and his staff are goners after the season, while Christian Ponder will be shopped for an ultra-late pick. Matt Cassel will be the presumptive starter going into next year's camp (whut?).

Houston is already looking for a coach after sacking Kubiak. They supposedly had initial discussions with Nick Saban, but that seems to have been a bargaining ploy for Saban to get even more money from Alabama.

Tennessee is likely to fire Munchak and his gang of cronies, in no huge surprise after three years of incompetence.

Mike Shanahan is trying to Costanza his way out of Washington, Lane Kiffin-style, it seems.

Greg Schiano should be a dead man walking in Tampa Bay, but God knows what kind of buyout he has in his contract after the Glazers lured him away from Rutgers (and the Glazers still have money problems).

Who's the next domino to fall?
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Old December 17 2013, 12:28 AM   #543
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Mike Shanahan is trying to Costanza his way out of Washington, Lane Kiffin-style, it seems.
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Old December 17 2013, 04:05 AM   #544
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Word out of Minnesota is that while Rick Spielman will survive, Leslie Frazier and his staff are goners after the season, while Christian Ponder will be shopped for an ultra-late pick. Matt Cassel will be the presumptive starter going into next year's camp (whut?).
Aren't many people projecting that you could have as many as four quarterbacks drafted in the first round in 2014 (not to mention a couple more in the second round)? Maybe by "presumptive starter" the idea is to draft someone new, with the option of Cassel beginning the year as the starter if the newly drafted QB isn't ready to be a starter in Week 1?
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Old December 17 2013, 04:29 AM   #545
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Chip Kelly insists he won't rest the Eagles starters next week against the Bears, should Dallas end up winning their afternoon game, which would render the Chi-Phil game meaningless for Philly's playoff prospects:

http://www.trentonian.com/sports/201...inst-the-bears

Still, I don't know that I consider this an entirely either/or thing. You can play, but if the players know that the outcome is irrelevant to their playoff prospects, will they still play with maximum effort? If the game starts to look lopsided, will Kelly pull some players, in a situation where he wouldn't be doing so if the game was meaningful? If Kelly has some trick plays he's been saving up, will he really waste them on a meaningless game?

I guess we'll find out. (Or not. If Dallas *loses* to Washington on Sunday, then the Bears game wouldn't be meaningless for Philly anymore, because winning it would allow them to clinch the East.)
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Old December 17 2013, 02:48 PM   #546
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Any team needing a coach is welcome to take Wade Phillips off the Texans hands because we sure as hell don't want him.

A group of blind girl scouts in wheelchairs could play better football than the Texans.
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Old December 17 2013, 07:20 PM   #547
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Word out of Minnesota is that while Rick Spielman will survive, Leslie Frazier and his staff are goners after the season, while Christian Ponder will be shopped for an ultra-late pick. Matt Cassel will be the presumptive starter going into next year's camp (whut?).
Aren't many people projecting that you could have as many as four quarterbacks drafted in the first round in 2014 (not to mention a couple more in the second round)? Maybe by "presumptive starter" the idea is to draft someone new, with the option of Cassel beginning the year as the starter if the newly drafted QB isn't ready to be a starter in Week 1?
Yeah, but I'm not sure there will be four good QBs entering the draft. Of course, drafting a QB seems to be kind of a crapshoot anyway- there's a big difference between college and the NFL. Minnesota will no doubt draft a QB, but if they keep playing spoiler they may win their way out of a decent draft position. Regardless, they'd be wise to stick with Cassel while whoever they draft learns the ropes.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:55 AM   #548
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The Lions don't deserve to make the playoffs. Hopefully this collapse and the fact that they were in a division where they were the only team with a Number One Quarterback will mean Schwartz will be shown the door and this team will stop being these idiots on the field and the sideline.
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Old December 18 2013, 10:24 PM   #549
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Peter King did a write up on Michael Thomas, the CB who intercepted Brady on the last play of the Dophins/Pats game Sunday. It's definitely one of those feel-good stories, and something that player will remember the rest of his life.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/16/nfl-we...g-quarterback/

Thomas was a practice squad Safety for the 49ers on Monday, having never played a down in the NFL, and on Sunday he's in at CB nickelback (not even his position). Tom Brady is targeting the receiver he's covering on every play, because why not? He's the new guy and doesn't know what's going on.

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Thomas is a safety. He played the position at Stanford and in practice for the Niners. But right now, in the last five minutes, Miami didn’t need a safety. The Dolphins had to have a corner.

“You want your opportunity?” Adams said. “It’s time.”

“I’m not gonna lie,” Thomas said by phone from the locker room Sunday afternoon, when it was over. “I was pretty emotional. I was going out there knowing Tom Brady was coming after me.”

On the first snap of the last New England series, Brady found Thomas. Brady threw to Danny Amendola for 11. On the second snap, he found Thomas. Brady threw to Shane Vereen for two. “I was out there, getting help from [safety] Reshad Jones,” said Thomas. “He’d basically tell me what to do on most plays, like where to go and who to cover.”

Brady got to the Miami 19, with 27 seconds left. First down. The defense broke the huddle and saw the spread New England formation. Jones nodded over to Amendola, split right. “You got no help,” Jones said to Thomas.

No help. A safety playing cornerback in his first NFL game, in his first NFL quarter, against Tom Brady, in single coverage against one of Brady’s favorite targets. Thomas ran with Amendola.

“Then there it was,” Thomas said. “Tom Brady throwing at me.”

The ball was over Thomas’ head, bound for Amendola’s hands. All Thomas could think of was the lesson he’d learned as a defensive back long ago. Play through his hands. As a trailer on the play, Thomas knew to do everything he could to disrupt the ball in Amendola’s hands, and he did. Thomas knocked the ball away. No touchdown. Huge play.

Three plays later. Fourth-and-5 from the 14. Likely the last chance for Brady. This time Thomas would be in the slot, determined not to let a Patriots receiver get behind him with any cushion. Again Brady threw at Thomas, for Austin Collie, with another Dolphin also in coverage. The ball never got to Collie. Thomas jumped and picked it off.
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Old December 22 2013, 04:59 PM   #550
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I'd feel a lot better about today's Packers/Steelers game if Rodgers was cleared to play. Either he's taking a long time to heal or the team is being extra cautious with him.
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I'd feel a lot better about today's Packers/Steelers game if Rodgers was cleared to play. Either he's taking a long time to heal or the team is being extra cautious with him.
A little from column A and a little from column B. The Packers' medical staff is known for being one of the most conservative in the league, but collarbones can take a while to completely heal. I think the coaching staff is self-aware enough to know that the team really has no business being in the playoffs with that defense, and it isn't worth shoving Rodgers out there to potentially get hurt again.

If Week 17 is a "win and in" situation for the Packers, though, I have no doubt in my mind that he'll be on the field and absolutely abuse the Bears' secondary all day long (Chris Conte will wind up with PTSD, I'm sure).
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And Peyton Manning takes the touchdown record with a full game to go! He needs 265 more yards to take the passing yards record from Brees and the team needs 17 more points to take the scoring record.
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Let's go Pats!
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And Peyton Manning takes the touchdown record with a full game to go! He needs 265 more yards to take the passing yards record from Brees and the team needs 17 more points to take the scoring record.
I've never seen Manning look so relaxed on the sideline after he threw that last touchdown. Congrats Peyton, well earned!
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It was nice to see the crowd in Houston cheering for Peyton's 51st touchdown. I saw a lot of Broncos fan jerseys in the crowd, but there were many Houston fans as well. Good on them, especially for a team that has seen Peyton play in their house once a year for the last 12 years.

It's starting to look like a possibility of the Colts playing the Broncos in Denver during the playoffs. With the loss to the Colts earlier in the season, Indianapolis remains the only team in the NFL that Peyton Manning has never beaten.
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