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Old September 8 2013, 12:06 PM   #31
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Re: 5 reasons Into Darkness is a great Trek film

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King Lear is the best Star Trek movie ever made.
Only the original Klingon film. None of those shitty Terran reboots/rehashes ever came close to it.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:29 PM   #32
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the fabulous and colourful cast of actors

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Old September 9 2013, 01:56 AM   #33
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It looks like a poster designed by the Microsoft Windows 8 Fisher-Price Team.
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Old September 9 2013, 02:05 AM   #34
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I always thought Khan from the Wrath of Khan was a bit of a"moustache-twirler." An over the top one dimensional bad guy. That really isn't a criticism just more of an observation. Hollywood has many examples of clear-cut, black and white good guys vs, bad guys and in TWOK Khan was a simple bad guy.
He was evil and even at times maniacal but I thought he also had significant pathos, notably "Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress" and the buried alive monologue.
I agree he had a lot of pathos. He's the perfect villain. He's not - nor ever was - a complex villain. And yet he wasn't quite two-dimensional either. In addition to the pathos, he was imbued with believable motivations for his villainy, and Montaban gave it that extra push. But that film was never about Khan. They developed his reasoning and why he was such a threat early in the film.. not two dimensional but not overly-complex - but they never forgot that the film itself was about Kirk, and Khan was just enough of a wedge to push Kirk from his complacency back to a great captain who needed to learn the toughest lesson of all: the no-win scenario. The film was never about Khan.
Which film?

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King Lear is the best Star Trek movie ever made.
Only the original Klingon film. None of those shitty Terran reboots/rehashes ever came close to it.
Earth, Ebert. 1988.
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Old September 10 2013, 07:36 PM   #35
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The following includes ST09 as well.

1. It was fun.

2. It is the closest thing to TOS I've ever seen.

3. It was fun.

4. Non-fans actually want to watch it. (neighbors already asked to borrow STID)

5. Did I mention how fun it was?
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Old September 10 2013, 07:39 PM   #36
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The following includes ST09 as well.

1. It was fun.

2. It is the closest thing to TOS I've ever seen.

3. It was fun.

4. Non-fans actually want to watch it. (neighbors already asked to borrow STID)

5. Did I mention how fun it was?
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Old September 10 2013, 08:30 PM   #37
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the fabulous and colourful cast of actors

I guess Saldana is Alice in this picture?

Pine looks in character. [HERESY ALERT!] You know, he may out-Kirk Shatner. [/HERESY ALERT!]
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Old September 10 2013, 11:22 PM   #38
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He was evil and even at times maniacal but I thought he also had significant pathos, notably "Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress" and the buried alive monologue.
I agree he had a lot of pathos. He's the perfect villain. He's not - nor ever was - a complex villain. And yet he wasn't quite two-dimensional either. In addition to the pathos, he was imbued with believable motivations for his villainy, and Montaban gave it that extra push. But that film was never about Khan. They developed his reasoning and why he was such a threat early in the film.. not two dimensional but not overly-complex - but they never forgot that the film itself was about Kirk, and Khan was just enough of a wedge to push Kirk from his complacency back to a great captain who needed to learn the toughest lesson of all: the no-win scenario. The film was never about Khan.
Which film?
I was talking about the Wrath Of Khan
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I agree he had a lot of pathos. He's the perfect villain. He's not - nor ever was - a complex villain. And yet he wasn't quite two-dimensional either. In addition to the pathos, he was imbued with believable motivations for his villainy, and Montaban gave it that extra push. But that film was never about Khan. They developed his reasoning and why he was such a threat early in the film.. not two dimensional but not overly-complex - but they never forgot that the film itself was about Kirk, and Khan was just enough of a wedge to push Kirk from his complacency back to a great captain who needed to learn the toughest lesson of all: the no-win scenario. The film was never about Khan.
Which film?
I was talking about the Wrath Of Khan
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Old September 11 2013, 04:15 AM   #40
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Quinto looks so cute in that pic.
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Old September 11 2013, 09:24 AM   #41
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Bad picture of Karl Urban though...
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Old September 11 2013, 09:35 AM   #42
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This

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The following includes ST09 as well.

1. It was fun.

2. It is the closest thing to TOS I've ever seen.

3. It was fun.

4. Non-fans actually want to watch it. (neighbors already asked to borrow STID)

5. Did I mention how fun it was?
And this . You can keep your allegories, blah, blah, etc. I've seen ID at least half a dozen times, and its narrative/cinematic faults bug me to hell. But no Trek film is perfect. It's whether you care about characters. And fun.
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Old September 11 2013, 04:40 PM   #43
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Maybe the reason financially successful movies are getting good reviews is because they are... good?
I personally find most blockbusters mediocre; regardless of my view, it seems odd that they would almost all be considered good and it goes against the idea that critics and/or a bunch of viewers are rooting for a backlash.
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Old September 13 2013, 07:31 PM   #44
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Alice Eve. She's all I need to overlook everything else and be happy this movie exists.
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Old September 15 2013, 04:49 AM   #45
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Yes, Galaxy Quest is one of the better Star Trek movies.

Also, Master and Commander: The Far Side of The World.

I have to agree with that, it was definitely one of the best "Star Trek" movies. They had planned to make figures too but that had an X put in it. Oh well. It's reassuring that the TOS films will always be regarded as superior to nutrek, heck TOS in general is regarded as better. There is only 1 reason why STID was entertaining, the Vengeance plain and simple.
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