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Old September 6 2013, 07:28 PM   #16
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Re: Observer Effect

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Eh, it's not as if we have soooooo many busy threads burning up the forum that we can't make room for any more.

jazzstick, starting your own running commentary thread for all the episodes is a typical way to post your thoughts. That being said, if you see a standout (positive or negative) episode and you would like to start a meatier discussion, I have no problem with you starting a separate thread for it. We have single-episode threads too.

Please have something substantive to say about the episode if you start a new thread -- you know, more than "cool" or "sux" or "Thoughts?" -- something that would launch a decent back-and-forth. Please mind the spamming rules in the FAQ and don't start a bunch of threads back to back. Also, please use the Multiquote function rather than posting several times in a row. Give other folks a chance to chime in.

"Observer Effect" is my favorite episode of Enterprise, btw. Beautifully made, standout performances and direction, lovely music, suspenseful and heartwrenching and wonderful. Bakula was sooo good here - when Archer visits Trip and fights back his emotion, when Archer and Phlox try to save Hoshi and Archer sacrifices himself so Phlox can find a cure and save his crew-- that got me all choked up. And when Archer, grieving and dying and tears in his voice, pleads with the Organians to feel compassion for the human race... omg, I absolutely adore this episode.
Gotya!

Yeah this IS an episode of Star Trek! I wish all the episodes of Enterprise where this good!
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Old September 12 2013, 04:15 PM   #17
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Gotya!

Yeah this IS an episode of Star Trek! I wish all the episodes of Enterprise where this good!
I've always wondered how they were supose to do this, they have to churn out enough episodes each year with a limited amount of time to scripe and film each one and at the same time they are supose to create emmy winning episodes each time. Rather a tall order. I think they did a very good job with what they had.

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Old September 12 2013, 04:38 PM   #18
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Re: Observer Effect

I could cite multiple episodes from the first two seasons of the show (fewer from the later two) where I don't think they did a very good job with what they had.
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Old September 12 2013, 05:41 PM   #19
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Gotya!

Yeah this IS an episode of Star Trek! I wish all the episodes of Enterprise where this good!
I've always wondered how they were supose to do this, they have to churn out enough episodes each year with a limited amount of time to scripe and film each one and at the same time they are supose to create emmy winning episodes each time. Rather a tall order. I think they did a very good job with what they had.


I'm sorry but "because it's hard" is not a valid excuse for putting out shitty episodes, especially when you look at the past shows. Now I know not all of them where super great episodes, but it was consistant, especialy Deep Space 9! Had the writers written the charactors with more depth, I feel it would have been a better show!
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Old September 22 2013, 03:59 PM   #20
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This is one of my favorite Enterprise episodes.

I remember the first time I watched it. I knew the series was over at the end of 4 years, so I actually thought Hoshi bit the bullet.



So glad she didn't

This episode has always had a "TOS" feel to it.

Thought everyone did a great job acting, directing etc.

Great STAR TREK episode!
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Old September 23 2013, 12:19 PM   #21
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I was going to say I AGREE, very Star Trek Yanks except looking back I see I already said it

This thread makes me want to watch it again!
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Old September 23 2013, 04:38 PM   #22
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I really like this episode and recently saw it again and liked the Tos feel to the episode. Great acting in this show with the entire cast.
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Old September 30 2013, 07:15 PM   #23
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I was going to say I AGREE, very Star Trek Yanks except looking back I see I already said it

This thread makes me want to watch it again!
I might pull it out tonight.

I'll probably tear up again when Hoshi doesn't respond to the cardio stimulation.

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Old October 2 2013, 03:40 AM   #24
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The Organians seemed to get real mellowed out by the time Kirk and Kor battled over them in TOS: Errand of Mercy.

They didn't really seem to act like Organians to me. It felt more like the writers just grabbed a name at random without knowing anything about them. We never saw Ayelborne and his old college chums take over anyone's body.

And this was by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, they have sole writing credit, and they should have known better since they're my age.
actually I see a lot of errand of mercy here.
for one thing we have to remember this is a first encounter with humans. we have more then a hundred years before kirk comes along at a start of the war. from errand of mercy we know there had been a previous group on organia. along with some odd findings from their report spock highly disagreed with.

sorta hints that the previous group had their findings hmm changed.. tampered with.

we don't know but something might have happened to make the organians leary of entering other bodies.

ps the organian who spent most of the time in travis reminded me a lot of ayelborne.
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Old October 4 2013, 02:00 AM   #25
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While my computer was sick the last few weeks (monitor died), I watched my old vhs "Errand of Mercy" a few times (until it rewound too tight and it won't load anymore). It may be I haven't watched "Observer Effect" enough to pick up on the Organian-ness of the two body hopping entities, I had trouble distinguishing which Organian was in which body the way they kept jumping around into different people. Maybe I'll be more receptive to it by the time I get to writing a review.
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from errand of mercy we know there had been a previous group on organia. along with some odd findings from their report spock highly disagreed with.
Eh?
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Old October 6 2013, 01:06 AM   #27
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from errand of mercy we know there had been a previous group on organia. along with some odd findings from their report spock highly disagreed with.
Eh?
Starfleet already had some information about Organia in TOS: Errand of Mercy:

KIRK: Organia's description, Mister Spock.

SPOCK: Inhabited by humanoids. A very peaceful, friendly people living on a primitive level. Little of intrinsic value. Approximately Class D minus on Richter's scale of cultures.
And after they beam down and meet Ayelborne, Spock takes a few tricorder readings:

SPOCK: Captain, our information on these people and their culture was not correct. This is not a primitive society making progress toward mechanisation. They are totally stagnant. There is no evidence of any progress as far back as my tricorder can register.

KIRK: That doesn't seem likely.

SPOCK: Nevertheless, it is true. For tens of thousands of years, there has been absolutely no advancement, no significant change in their physical environment. This is a laboratory specimen of an arrested culture.

KIRK: Thank you, Mister Spock. That might be useful.
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