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Old September 8 2013, 10:48 PM   #106
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:53 PM   #107
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
If all brain function ceases, all life processes stop permanently, then it is very likely that there is no more "you." You can't perceive if you can't think.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:53 PM   #108
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
How is it paradoxical? I don't expect to be experiencing anything. Is it paradoxical that you experienced nothing before your birth?
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Old September 8 2013, 10:54 PM   #109
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
You can't experience non-existance. That's the point.
Anyone who says it's inconceivable to not experience anything anymore should try to remember the time before he was born/conceived.
Pretty much the same thing.
Was it so horrible to not exist yet? How do the people cope with that?
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Old September 8 2013, 11:04 PM   #110
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If the definition of dying is being brain dead, then yes, all thoughts cease to exist.

So what makes us human? Is it our brain that makes us who we are? If all our memories, skills, and experiences were wiped out, would we stop being ourselves?

Space. Time. Life itself. The secrets of the cosmos lie ... through the wormhole.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:07 PM   #111
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If the definition of dying is being brain dead, then yes, all thoughts cease to exist.

So what makes us human? Is it our brain that makes us who we are? If all our memories, skills, and experiences were wiped out, would we stop being ourselves?
Yes.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:20 PM   #112
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If the definition of dying is being brain dead, then yes, all thoughts cease to exist.

So what makes us human? Is it our brain that makes us who we are? If all our memories, skills, and experiences were wiped out, would we stop being ourselves?

Space. Time. Life itself. The secrets of the cosmos lie ... through the wormhole.
Definitely. The evidence for this is overwhelming. The brain physically changes as a result of new experiences, thoughts, and learning in ways that we can observe and measure. But the even more overwhelming evidence is that damage to the brain can vastly change a person's memories, behaviors, and personality. While the exact nature of consciousness is not yet understood, all the evidence leads to one conclusion: The mind and the soul are the brain.

And isn't that a wonderful, beautiful thing? A few pounds of mushy, grey and white and pink that is the most complex organ we know of, with more neurons than there are stars in the galaxy; that is able, through chemistry and electricity, to observe, learn, communicate, create, and love. Brains are cool.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:23 PM   #113
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Also: sexy.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:24 PM   #114
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^Only the clever ones.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:46 PM   #115
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
You can't experience non-existance. That's the point.
Anyone who says it's inconceivable to not experience anything anymore should try to remember the time before he was born/conceived.
Pretty much the same thing.
Was it so horrible to not exist yet? How do the people cope with that?
But that's you right now experiencing not being able to remember something. You compare your current state with your past state. Constantly. And are aware of yourself.

Death is not comparable to that.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:50 PM   #116
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
There is no paradox and no contradiction because there is no "you".
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Old September 8 2013, 11:55 PM   #117
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It's not a case of not being able to remember something...nothing happened. Nothing happened to me before I existed. Nothing will happen when I'm done existing. There is nothing to remember and there will be nothing to experience. I don't see how this is difficult to comprehend. Have you ever been anesthetized for surgery? Under complete anesthesia the brain is shut off. The experience isn't like sleeping. There is no sense of passage of time and no dreaming. You are lying on the table counting backwards, "10, 9, 8," and then you wake up in the recovery room and that's that. I figure being dead will be that, nothing. Except I won't wake up.
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Old September 9 2013, 01:14 AM   #118
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Those who say there's nothing after death, aren't you a little bit puzzled by what happens to your perception of nothing? You suddenly cease to exist, how's that going to be? It's paradoxical. How can you experience non-existence? Or how can you not experience existence?

I think that paradox is the basis for any belief in a life after death.
You can't experience non-existance. That's the point.
Anyone who says it's inconceivable to not experience anything anymore should try to remember the time before he was born/conceived.
Pretty much the same thing.
Was it so horrible to not exist yet? How do the people cope with that?
But that's you right now experiencing not being able to remember something. You compare your current state with your past state. Constantly. And are aware of yourself.

Death is not comparable to that.
If neurons aren't firing, you're not remembering, you're not experiencing, you're not even conscious, because the matter that holds all of this information is defunct. It has shut down, it has been rendered moot.There is nothing to process. There is nothing at all. Dead.
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Old September 9 2013, 02:31 AM   #119
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If the definition of dying is being brain dead, then yes, all thoughts cease to exist.

So what makes us human? Is it our brain that makes us who we are? If all our memories, skills, and experiences were wiped out, would we stop being ourselves?

Space. Time. Life itself. The secrets of the cosmos lie ... through the wormhole.
Definitely. The evidence for this is overwhelming. The brain physically changes as a result of new experiences, thoughts, and learning in ways that we can observe and measure. But the even more overwhelming evidence is that damage to the brain can vastly change a person's memories, behaviors, and personality. While the exact nature of consciousness is not yet understood, all the evidence leads to one conclusion: The mind and the soul are the brain.

And isn't that a wonderful, beautiful thing? A few pounds of mushy, grey and white and pink that is the most complex organ we know of, with more neurons than there are stars in the galaxy; that is able, through chemistry and electricity, to observe, learn, communicate, create, and love. Brains are cool.
Aye, it's a fascinating organ, the brain. I saw a recent episode of Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman, asking if the brain could be hacked, the way a computer can be hacked. The simple answer by scientists was yes. So in the future it's possible for our innermost thoughts to be explored (and perhaps manipulated?). I'll have to watch it again sometime.
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Old September 9 2013, 02:38 AM   #120
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^Yeah, there is a lot of cool research in that area. early stages of the technology, but this is fucking cool stuf:



Hmmm...don't know why the video is not showing up, maybe it will later. If it doesn't, here's the link:
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