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Old September 3 2013, 01:25 AM   #16
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Most of those Phase II stories were terrible.
As presented I'm inclined to agree. Maybe one or two of the stories has potential. "Kitumba" is the one I thought the most of. Still, some of them might have been salvaged with decent rewriting.
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Old September 3 2013, 01:31 AM   #17
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All of them had already gone to teleplay, though, hadn't they? If most of them were still crummy at that point, it's not a great sign.
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Old September 3 2013, 07:22 AM   #18
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I´d love to have a book with lots of high quality pictures of all the filming miniatures of starships and shuttlecraft, along with props and sets. Something like the Trek version of the Star Wars Chronicles. And I wouldn´t mind, if they´d put the emphasis on TOS and the first six movies
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Old September 3 2013, 10:35 AM   #19
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I wouldn't mind a book on rejected storylines, just to see what ideas were out there.
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Old September 3 2013, 02:55 PM   #20
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I wouldn't mind a book on rejected storylines, just to see what ideas were out there.
I would like this as well. I've read a couple in the old Star Trek: The New Voyages books and some were quite good.
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Old September 3 2013, 03:06 PM   #21
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I´d love to have a book with lots of high quality pictures of all the filming miniatures of starships and shuttlecraft, along with props and sets. Something like the Trek version of the Star Wars Chronicles. And I wouldn´t mind, if they´d put the emphasis on TOS and the first six movies
This!

I'd actually sketched up a concept many years ago, but never knew who to send it to.

I'm talking a LARGE book with new photos of each ship model, one full page (landscape format) side view, full page top view, full page bottom, etc etc. Then pages of angles and then pages of detail closeups. No 2-page spreads with a damn fold in the middle of the ship.

Of course it's too late now that the models have been sold off, and there are plenty of pictures online now anyway.
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Old September 3 2013, 04:23 PM   #22
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I´d love to have a book with lots of high quality pictures of all the filming miniatures of starships and shuttlecraft, along with props and sets. Something like the Trek version of the Star Wars Chronicles. And I wouldn´t mind, if they´d put the emphasis on TOS and the first six movies
that's pretty much what my 1992 proposal for THE ART OF STAR TREK: Designing the 23rd Century for Film & TV, consisted of, along with EXTENSIVE interviews with the art dept & VFX designers. My mockup for the book filled a good-sized notebook (even the detailed outline of chapters and subchapters ran to several pages), and it traced each aspect of Trek from origin through to TUC, so you'd see the evolution of the bridge from CAGE onward, look of starbases evolving, etc.

Once I started cutting up mags and books (boy do I wish i had NOT done that now!), I noticed that you'd often find pics of any given ship shot from the same angle in different decades (e and refit, kllngon battle cruiser and Ktinga, etc.), so there was some pleasant layout possibilities.

I spent months on that thing, and I'm still pretty proud of it (used it as a writing sample a few times to good effect, almost got me an X-Files NF out of it.) The Ronald Moore who was the VFX guy on GENERATIONS, TNG and VOYAGER liked it too, because he and Dan Curry had been thinking for years of doing some print volume showing the storyboard-to-screen aspect of doing the series.

but the main thing for me was getting to do comprehensive interviews with designers before they all started dying off. As is, we got just a taste of what I'd hoped for in the CFQ 30th anniversary issue, but every time I read through that, I wind up with more questions than when I started, though at least they got Richard Datin's contributions into print!

Naturally, I rather despise the book Pocket wound up doing, not just for how it wastes pages and pages on movie posters and Abel storyboards for TMP bridge live-action that look like a boring comic strip, but because it just squandered the opportunity to do this right. If they had done TOS justice, you could have done dedicated followup volumes on TNG and the rest. I even put in an addendum showing how you could repurpose the interviews for a CD-ROM or laserdisc edition of the book, which would offer the bonus of film segments.



I'd second the idea of somebody doing something with PLANET OF THE TITANS, though my preference would have been to use it for a standalone Trek film, with the characters changed so you'd have Capt April and crew becoming the TITANS.
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Old September 4 2013, 04:20 AM   #23
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I was reading a review on amazon.com regarding These Are The Voyages. This reviewer said something interesting. He thinks The Making Of Star Trek needs to be re-issued and preferably in hardcover. I agree. I'd go for it although a softcover would be fine. But make it larger than a mass market paperback so the photos and images can be printed larger.

But other than re-issuing in a larger format I wouldn't change a thing in it. It's pretty much an historical document.
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Old September 4 2013, 04:44 AM   #24
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Maybe they could take GR's comments out of CAPS. It seems to offend a lot of people when they see whole paragraphs WRITTEN LIKE THIS nowadays.

Having said that, I absolutely still love that book. Together with the FIRST version of WORLD OF STAR TREK and the book on the making of TRIBBLES, I wore several copies of each out in the 70s.
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Old September 4 2013, 02:21 PM   #25
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That book you put together sounds like it could have been a fan´s dream come true. You say it was your proposal for "The Art of Star Trek" - how were you involved with that project?

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Old September 4 2013, 02:22 PM   #26
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I know we already got one "Art of Star Trek" book, but the section devoted to TOS is pretty skimpy, and I'd love to see a much more extensive one for TOS, with many more pictures of props, sets, costumes, etc (although I realize most of that stuff has been sold off by now so it would probably be difficult to do).
You know they had to do concept sketches of pretty much everything before it was built or made. Is all that material lost? I think we've only seen a small portion of it.

A book like this could also be done in tandem with material about TOS' f/x suggested earlier upthread.
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Old September 4 2013, 02:25 PM   #27
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I know we already got one "Art of Star Trek" book, but the section devoted to TOS is pretty skimpy, and I'd love to see a much more extensive one for TOS, with many more pictures of props, sets, costumes, etc (although I realize most of that stuff has been sold off by now so it would probably be difficult to do).
You know they had to do concept sketches of pretty much everything before it was built or made. Is all that material lost? I think we've only seen a small portion of it.
A lot of TOS concept art and sketches can be found in "The Star Trek Sketchbook".
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Old September 4 2013, 02:40 PM   #28
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I know we already got one "Art of Star Trek" book, but the section devoted to TOS is pretty skimpy, and I'd love to see a much more extensive one for TOS, with many more pictures of props, sets, costumes, etc (although I realize most of that stuff has been sold off by now so it would probably be difficult to do).
You know they had to do concept sketches of pretty much everything before it was built or made. Is all that material lost? I think we've only seen a small portion of it.
A lot of TOS concept art and sketches can be found in "The Star Trek Sketchbook".
Yeah, we know. I have that book since it was first released. But I supect they were selective about what they put in there. MJ and the rest of the creative time have been referenced as making countless drawings. What is in the Sketchbook is scratching the surface.
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Old September 4 2013, 05:21 PM   #29
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How about a special effects book---just the efx of TOS. I know some are thinking, "well, there's not that much, so much was recycled, and had budget limitations," but i've seen magazine-length studies of the RKO King Kong numerous times, and TOS certianly had more going on in the efx department than that one film.

Over the decades, many a book or magazine covered the EFX of TOS, but have we been exposed to everything? All surviving produtction house notes, photos, unused film clips, etc.?
I would totally buy a book on the EFX.

They could start with when the plans were recieved to the building of the enterprise and the daily journals of the efx employees (if they even existed) They could cover the different tests they did and when an optical printer got jammed on a deadline.

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Old September 5 2013, 01:24 AM   #30
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@ trevenian

That book you put together sounds like it could have been a fan´s dream come true. You say it was your proposal for "The Art of Star Trek" - how were you involved with that project?

Mario
In 1989 I sent a very brief unsolicited proposal to Pocket, which was never acknowledged in any way. By the end of 1991, I had started selling my writing, and had written an extensive article on TUC's VFX. At that time, I talked with an ILM guy, plus TUC producer Jaffe, about my idea for the book, which had by then become a about 30 pages of notes. Jaffe gave me a contact at Paramount named Paula and wrote up a nice intro, and she in turn told me to contact Kevin Ryan at Pocket. (the guy who edited the trek magazine back then also was in some of this correspondence, as I was hoping to sell a hunk of my article -- a couple thousand unused words -- for publication there.)

Anyway, had a brief conversation with Ryan, who said he hadn't heard of this idea before, and to send a proposal to him.

I spent the next couple months carving up all those books I referenced earlier and building that big-ass proposal. I mailed it with all the necessary 'solicited proposal' wordage scrawled on the package (which was huge) ... and never heard another word. Sent 4 or 5 letters over the next year, w/o any acknowledgement, and then when I read about THE ART OF STAR TREK a couple years later being done by the Reeves-Stevenses, I was pretty righteously pissed off. I called and left phone messages on Ryan's number, and eventually, the one time somebody picked up the phone, it was John Ordover, who had inherited Ryan's number. He seemed a nice enough guy, but had no info on any of this (since then, we have actually had exchanges on this subject on this BBS, about 10 years back.)

The editor of the mag I was still freelancing for told me to not try any legal stuff because it would just make me persona non grata as a writer for a lot of other parties (the subtext was it would make me persona non grata for his magazine, which at that point was I think my sole source of income.) So I let it go, and the last nail on the chalkboard was when a friend saw the book in stores and called me to ask, 'hey, the book is dedicated to Kevin -- is this some kind of dig at you?' I told him I was sure the Kevin in question was Kevin Ryan.

Believe me, there is NOTHING of my proposal in their published version. I loved PRIME DIRECTIVE and a few other early novels of the Reeves-Stevenses, but based on this and their MAKING OF DS9 book and especially their PHASE TWO book -- which has some real howlers, like a caption showing the full VGER craft that identifies it as a rejected design concept ... I'd list more, but I don't have a copy), TREK NonFic isn't their strong suite (to their credit, that CONTINUING MISSION book was pretty good, and had a lot fewer errors.) They used maybe 20 of the same pics I had in my proposal, but that's coincidence. There's more text in my proposal than in their whole book.
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