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Old April 26 2014, 03:12 AM   #811
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Re: How I Met Your Mother: The Final Season

I don't get the need for the "audience to grieve." The mother was never really the focus of the show. It was all about the Big Five. The mother was only in a few episodes at the end of the series. There wasn't a lot time for "the audience" to develop an emotional attachment, at least not enough to warrant the kind of whining I'm seeing online.

The Mother served her purpose. She was there at the time Ted was ready to move past Robin, and she gave him two kids before she died. What else do we need to know?

The story was called How I Met Your Mother, but the real story was Ted and Robin. It always was.
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Old April 26 2014, 05:36 AM   #812
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The story was called How I Met Your Mother, but the real story was Ted and Robin. It always was.
I don't think that's really being disputed by anyone. The question is, though, *what* the story they were telling was - if they noticed it or not.

Concretely speaking, as the show wore on, it was that Ted and Robin as a couple simply don't work. On a more abstract level, it was that you cannot make a relationship work by pretending that your partner is someone they're not, and that you *don't have to*. You don't have to settle with someone that doesn't truly get you when there are people out there that might actually get you.

... another factor to what a shit sandwich the finale felt was: Yeah, the mother was originally a McGuffin. As as been said earlier in the thread, this ending would've probably even worked back when she still was (i.e., back when they shot the scenes with the kids). This last season, though, the mother was the only character on the show that was in any way engaging. Robin in particular had been turned in an utterly unlikable caricature of the character she once was, IMO. SRSLY, I can't even put into words how much the running "joke" that was her behaviour towards Patrice annoyed me.
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Old April 26 2014, 06:12 AM   #813
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Thank you! I thought I was being sacreligious thinking that Robin just wasn't that likable a character. She and Ted had developed as characters past the point where the idea of them as a OTP was appealing. A few seasons ago this ending might have worked. Not anymore. Not after the characters' development presented by the writers and yes, the mother was a sweetheart. It isn't whining to say that it fucking sucked that she was presented as a second choice/after thought by the writers. The daughter's line really, really bugged me. Oh, you really love Aunt Robin. What a masochist you must be, Ted. Idiot.

A few years ago I could have bought Ted and Robin ending up together. Not anymore. How very....unsatisfying.
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Old April 26 2014, 12:28 PM   #814
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Re: How I Met Your Mother: The Final Season

urbandefault wrote: View Post
I don't get the need for the "audience to grieve." The mother was never really the focus of the show. It was all about the Big Five. The mother was only in a few episodes at the end of the series. There wasn't a lot time for "the audience" to develop an emotional attachment, at least not enough to warrant the kind of whining I'm seeing online.

The Mother served her purpose. She was there at the time Ted was ready to move past Robin, and she gave him two kids before she died. What else do we need to know?

The story was called How I Met Your Mother, but the real story was Ted and Robin. It always was.
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Thank you! I thought I was being sacreligious thinking that Robin just wasn't that likable a character. She and Ted had developed as characters past the point where the idea of them as a OTP was appealing. A few seasons ago this ending might have worked. Not anymore. Not after the characters' development presented by the writers and yes, the mother was a sweetheart. It isn't whining to say that it fucking sucked that she was presented as a second choice/after thought by the writers. The daughter's line really, really bugged me. Oh, you really love Aunt Robin. What a masochist you must be, Ted. Idiot.

A few years ago I could have bought Ted and Robin ending up together. Not anymore. How very....unsatisfying.
The thing of it is, I agree with you both. I enjoyed the finale and never felt that Ted was pining for Robin the entire time he was with Tracy. If she had not died, I think Ted would have gone on loving her and never giving Robin another shot. Her death and his grieving process (unless you're someone who believes you should be beholden to your deceased spouse until your death, I'd think 6 years is more than reasonable) gave him a second (Third? Fourth? I lost count) chance with Robin.

But, yes, I was never sold on Robin and I think some of my feelings have transferred on to Cobie Smulders. Posts I see on the internet seem to make her out to be an "ultimate woman," and I have never seen it. While it's nice seeing her in Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Solider, it seems she plays both characters the same way.

I thought Robin and Barney made a good pair as they both seemed to compliment each other. Then again, the show had a whole episode dedicated to how horrible the two of them were for each other and we're still upset that they divorced.
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Old April 26 2014, 12:57 PM   #815
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<< While it's nice seeing her in Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Solider, it seems she plays both characters the same way. >>

It's the same character.

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Old April 26 2014, 09:07 PM   #816
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She's not exactly a versatile actress. She's in Broken Lizard's: "Slammon Salmon" and plays pretty much the same character there too. It's actually a pretty funny comedy from the same guys that did Super Troopers. I recommend it.
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Old April 27 2014, 02:06 AM   #817
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Alyson Hannigan says funeral scene was cut from the finale
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Old April 27 2014, 02:21 AM   #818
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It's nice to hear someone acknowledging how disappointed and angry most fans were over the finale... the creators and NPH seemed pretty unapologetic about it.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:09 AM   #819
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^ Why should they apologize? If everyone in Hollywood apologized just because fans didn't like something they wouldn't get much done.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:43 AM   #820
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No apology necessary. Just acknowledge that it's sort of kind of maybe slightly possible that it sucked and move on.
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Old April 27 2014, 11:37 AM   #821
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They should have pulled an Orci and just said "Fuck you!" to those who didn't like it.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:38 PM   #822
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They're releasing an alternate ending with the Complete Series set. I hope it's not something that would allow fans to pretend that what we actually got didn't happen. I was hoping that we'd get those missing 18 minutes but it looks like that won't be the case. From the sound of the Hannigan interview, that might have alleviated some of the anger over the finale rushing things too much.
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Old April 27 2014, 04:46 PM   #823
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I hope it's not something that would allow fans to pretend that what we actually got didn't happen.
Why that?



I hope, whatever it is, that it's a full episode edit, and not just a 5 minutes bonus feature.
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Old April 27 2014, 05:54 PM   #824
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^ Why should they apologize? If everyone in Hollywood apologized just because fans didn't like something they wouldn't get much done.
Yep.
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Old April 27 2014, 06:09 PM   #825
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What are they supposed to say? Sorry half of you liked it and half of you didn't?
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