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Old October 11 2013, 12:42 PM   #91
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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The real question is why Uhura never made captain.
I could well imagine she made Captain and then later Admiral, I doubt she would have ended up commanding a ship though as I could see her more at home working at SF Command or the Academy, there are many posts a Starfleet Captain can take up other than sitting in the centre seat of a starship.

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Scotty never wore command colors despite being promoted to captain, though his rank was more reflective of his expertise and experience than any sort of command authority. He was second officer during the five-year mission but spent the rest of his Enterprise tour almost exclusively in engineering, only coming to the bridge for urgent repairs or to speak with Kirk directly.
Scotty was an odd in the later films, he actually wore both Engineering and Command colours, Engineering gold/mustard when he was in full uniform and then the white undershirt of a Captain when at work on the Enterprise with the black utility vest.

As for Chekov, he was obviously competent enough for Kirk and Spock to leave in command in V and VI as he was seen a couple of times in the Captains Chair. I always liked the idea he would have been Sulu's XO after the events of TUC and later made Captain even if he didnt command a ship.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:40 PM   #92
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

Looks like Chekov actually Captained a couple of different ships in the novels. He is mentioned as the CO of the USS Cydonia in Shatner's The Return and he is also noted as having been the CO of the USS Undauntless.

Of all the books I think The Sundered nailed his character post TWOK. He was depicted as a somewhat damaged individual that begrudgingly took the job of XO for Sulu. He performs his role in a much more guarded and cautious manner due to his experiences aboard the Reliant. He eventually fills the role comfortably and performs superbly as I remember. He does go on to eventually take over as the Starfleet C-in-C in the Shatnerverse.

As for Uhura, her comments in TSFS pretty much sum up her ambition to me. "Peace and quiet appeals to me Ensign." Uhura always struck me as the one member of the crew that was versatile enough to leave Starfleet and still be happy. I could see her pursuing music or teaching. She didn't seem to need Starfleet like the rest of the main crew.
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Old November 25 2013, 01:13 PM   #93
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

It seems like none of the senior staff are still assigned to Enterprise at the start of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Given that Spock is the Federation Envoy to the Klingon Empire, perhaps he'd arranged to have Kirk, Scotty, Uhura and Chekov returned to the ship especially for the mission. They could have been off elsewhere doing other things. Uhura especially points out that she's teaching at Starfleet Academy. Perhaps Chekov was away serving on another starship.

Personally, I'm surprised Sulu didn't request him for the position of Executive Officer aboard Excelsior.
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Old November 25 2013, 01:39 PM   #94
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So up until the Dominion War, seems likely promotion was fairly slow. And Chekhov was quite junior, with a couple of great big black marks on his record (like stealing the Enterprise).

Yet if Star Trek: Renegades ever reaches the stage where we consider it canon, Chekhov did indeed become a Captain. And is currently an Admiral!

The USS Chekhov btw I suspect is named for the playwright.
It's Chekov for the Trek character, Chekhov for the playwrite, so if the spelling should be the tipoff.
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Old November 29 2013, 02:05 AM   #95
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

There's a series of really good fanfic stories where he made Captain.
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Old December 3 2013, 03:54 AM   #96
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Let's face it... when you're XO of a ship and manage to let it get hijacked by a wrathful madman who you just happened to forget about who steals a weapon of mass destruction which creates a cold war style conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, your file isn't at the top of the promotion list.

This. In seven pages I've only seen a handful of references to the fact that Chekov was an XO of a starship. For some reason he went from 1st officer, second in command of the ship back down to a lower position on the Enterprise. Now, either Chekov believed that serving under Kirk as Navigator (end of Star Trek IV and Star Trek V) and Security Chief (Star Trek VI) was more preferable to being an XO on another Starship, or else Chekov was in some way blackmarked and prohibited from serving in that capacity any more.

Look at his career through the movies

TMP: Security Chief
WOK: 1st Officer of Reliant
SFS: No posting - awaiting reassignment
TVH: Serves as navigator at the end of the movie
TFF: Serves as navigator after Sybok takes control. Was left in command while Kirk and Spock were off ship.
TUC: Security Chief
GEN: No posting that we know of - served as a dignitary at the launch of Enterprise- B.

Books aren't canon, Of Gods and Men aren't canon. Going just by on-screen evidence, Chekov's career stalled after the events of Ceti Alpha V.
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Old December 13 2013, 09:42 AM   #97
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Not everyone makes captain in a navy. Fact of military service. Another thing to consider: Starfleet may have downsized after Khitomer as was proposed in TUC during the mission brief. If that's the case, there would be fewer billets and may have kept several officers in the same rank or position for years.
I would hope not. Even with the Klingons off the enemy list Starfleet should know there will be other non-friendly forces out there.

Something similar is currently happening in the U.S. Navy. They're even having to shorten the rotation time for ship command positions so that it gives more people a shot at being CO.
Sad but true. We should know better by now as well.
How so? Who is going to challange the USA in anything (especially since the PRC has the USA's manufacturing in it's back pocket anyway?) And what's Russia going to do?
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Old December 13 2013, 02:43 PM   #98
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The real question is why Uhura never made captain.
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Although think, in fanon, much like McCoy in TNG, she may actually have made admiral in the end.
She finds the way to screw the cloaked Bird of Prey, she's definitely too good to be demoted as admiral.
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Old December 14 2013, 05:37 AM   #99
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The real question is why Uhura never made captain.
I could well imagine she made Captain and then later Admiral, I doubt she would have ended up commanding a ship though as I could see her more at home working at SF Command or the Academy, there are many posts a Starfleet Captain can take up other than sitting in the center seat of a starship.
She did become Captain of an Oberth-class ship, USS Intrepid II, and then later captain of the Antares-class USS Hermes, eventually becoming an operative for Starfleet Intelligence and then Admiral in a series of novels.
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Old December 14 2013, 05:50 AM   #100
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If I remember right, they were going to give Chekov a Captain's rank in Generations, then thought better of it. Probably figured everyone would ask "then why isn't he the one commanding the Enterprise-B?"
Actually, Chekov was a last minute addition to that film. Every line that Chekov had was supposed to be for McCoy, but De Kelley declined to appear. But Walter Koenig agreed to do it, so Chekov was put into the film and got every McCoy line.

Same goes for Spock: Nimoy didn't want to do it either, so Scotty got all the lines that Spock would have.
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Old December 14 2013, 04:09 PM   #101
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

^ One (possibly apocryhal) story that I heard was that Walter Koenig encouraged the extras playing the journalists to refer to him as 'Captain Chekov' in their adlibbed chatter during the scene where the TOS trio first walk into the Ent-B bridge, but it got picked up by somebody when they were watching the dailies and it was wiped out in the sound looping session afterwards.

Whatever the case, Chekov clearly isn't wearing the rank.
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Old December 14 2013, 07:34 PM   #102
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Actually, Chekov was a last minute addition to that film. Every line that Chekov had was supposed to be for McCoy, but De Kelley declined to appear. But Walter Koenig agreed to do it, so Chekov was put into the film and got every McCoy line.
Damn, his behavior on Enterprise-B was a good for him, but it's clear he was acting so McCoyish.

Oh, and as we can see in The Deadly Years, having a higher rank than Captain doesn't mean you're good to command a starship.

I don't think the Ceti Alpha incident would have get him a black mark on Starfleet files. It's surely noted that he's a desaster as historian, but it's not his own fault if this system had not been pointed out as having Khan somehere.
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Old December 15 2013, 01:27 AM   #103
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Let's face it... when you're XO of a ship and manage to let it get hijacked by a wrathful madman who you just happened to forget about who steals a weapon of mass destruction which creates a cold war style conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, your file isn't at the top of the promotion list.
Kirk managed to get his ship hijacked several times a year and made admiral. I don't think Starfleet is too picky.
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Old December 15 2013, 02:26 AM   #104
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Actually, Chekov was a last minute addition to that film. Every line that Chekov had was supposed to be for McCoy, but De Kelley declined to appear. But Walter Koenig agreed to do it, so Chekov was put into the film and got every McCoy line.
Damn, his behavior on Enterprise-B was a good for him, but it's clear he was acting so McCoyish.
In a cut scene he calls Scotty a whiskey blooded wirry-cow.
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Old December 17 2013, 02:19 AM   #105
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Chekov's toupe looked worse than The Shats!
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