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Old September 1 2013, 08:00 PM   #31
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Why didn't Uhura make Captain? She was the older and more experienced officer, she should have made Captain before Chekov did.
Uh, in TOS women were forbidden from being Captain.

I mean, what if the ship is under attack and she's having her period or something?
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Old September 1 2013, 08:09 PM   #32
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Why didn't Uhura make Captain? She was the older and more experienced officer, she should have made Captain before Chekov did.
There was never any evidence of Uhura being groomed for a career in command. Decades of "Hailing Frequencies Open" does not a Captain make.

Chekov had made it all the way to First Officer, the next logical step in his career should have been Captain.
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Old September 1 2013, 08:12 PM   #33
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

Uhura was content to sit on her ass at Starfleet Headquarters while her career was winding down.
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Old September 1 2013, 08:16 PM   #34
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^Then how do you explain the captain of the Saratoga? In any case, it's important to remember that being a starship captain is something only a small percentage of people can actually do. The idea that everyone must eventually attain the rank because they've hung around long enough goes against the idea of a merit-based promotion system. No question that Uhura was good at her job, but that doesn't mean she'd have made a good commanding officer any more than Chekov would have been.

The Enterprise chain of command was somewhat unusual during the films because of the numerous promotions and demotions that happened to various crew members, but the general pecking order aboard the ship was almost always the same:

Kirk ---> Decker (TMP only) ---> Spock ---> Sulu ---> Chekov ---> Uhura.

I've omitted Scotty in spite of his rank because his responsibilities were confined almost exclusively to engineering during this time period. He was second officer during TOS. Additionally, Saavik often took the conn during TWOK in spite of a lower rank than most of the bridge officers, but I suspect this was decided by Kirk and Spock as a way for her to gain command experience.

Given the above order, Chekov was still far-removed from the center seat. He was Terrell's first officer, but Reliant was a smaller ship with a less experienced crew: Winston Kyle was at least a Lieutenant Commander and a bridge officer despite being only a transporter operator on the Enterprise. When he transferred back to Enterprise after TWOK, he was beneath Sulu in the chain-of-command ("Mr. Sulu, you have the conn. I'll be in my quarters.").

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Old September 1 2013, 08:27 PM   #35
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Why didn't Uhura make Captain? She was the older and more experienced officer, she should have made Captain before Chekov did.
Did she ever want it? While she demanded respect from her peers and subordinates, I never got the impression she desired command.
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Old September 2 2013, 06:55 AM   #36
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Did she ever want it? While she demanded respect from her peers and subordinates, I never got the impression she desired command.
The same could be said of Chekov. Yes he was XO of the Reliant, but that was only for a short time before he took a step back--he seemed far more at home being Kirk's lackey than a leader in his own right.
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Old September 2 2013, 12:07 PM   #37
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Did she ever want it? While she demanded respect from her peers and subordinates, I never got the impression she desired command.
The same could be said of Chekov. Yes he was XO of the Reliant, but that was only for a short time before he took a step back--he seemed far more at home being Kirk's lackey than a leader in his own right.
Which is the reason I started this thread. Looks like we've come full circle!

Did Chekov change his mind about command or was he held back by Starfleet for some reason?
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Old September 2 2013, 02:09 PM   #38
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Did she ever want it? While she demanded respect from her peers and subordinates, I never got the impression she desired command.
The same could be said of Chekov. Yes he was XO of the Reliant, but that was only for a short time before he took a step back--he seemed far more at home being Kirk's lackey than a leader in his own right.
Which is the reason I started this thread. Looks like we've come full circle!

Did Chekov change his mind about command or was he held back by Starfleet for some reason?
We'll never know. Maybe having a Ceti eel chew through his eardrum discouraged him.

Another poster commented on Chekov's moments as acting captain of Enterprise in TFF and the dialogue with Sybok. Assuming Sybok is a Vulcan of some intelligence, why wouldn't he notice that Chekov ISN'T WEARING a captain's rank insignia?
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Old September 2 2013, 03:01 PM   #39
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. . .Assuming Sybok is a Vulcan of some intelligence, why wouldn't he notice that Chekov ISN'T WEARING a captain's rank insignia?
Sybok isn't in Starfleet, he's a civilian. I'm a civilian too, and I would never be able to distinguish American naval rank insignia, but I would be able to for army and perhaps air force, at least for commissioned officers. I'd have less luck with rank insignia of other countries.
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Another poster commented on Chekov's moments as acting captain of Enterprise in TFF and the dialogue with Sybok. Assuming Sybok is a Vulcan of some intelligence, why wouldn't he notice that Chekov ISN'T WEARING a captain's rank insignia?
Even if Sybok did notice, it doesn't mean anything. Captain is both a title and a rank, and Commander Chekov would be allowed to identify himself as Captain Chekov when he's in command of the Enterprise.
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Old September 2 2013, 10:52 PM   #41
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

Likewise, Admiral Kirk wouldn't have lost his credibility by posing as the skipper of the Enterprise...

Uh, in TOS women were forbidden from being Captain.
Naah. The insane Janice Lester was forbidden from hanging around Captain Kirk, is all.

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Old September 2 2013, 10:58 PM   #42
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Likewise, Admiral Kirk wouldn't have lost his credibility by posing as the skipper of the Enterprise...
I don't know. Part of what I found so annoying about Kirk's character in the films is that he kept doing exactly that no matter the situation. It was a relief when he was finally demoted back to captain so we wouldn't have to wonder whose toes he'd step on next to get the Enterprise back. Fortunately, Stephen Collins has more of a sense of humor about it than his fictional alter-ego did.

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Old September 3 2013, 08:46 PM   #43
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In the Excelsior books that's exactly what happens. War Dragons states outright that Chekov was Sulu's original choice for 1st officer but the Khan incident played on his conscience too much, so he went back to Kirk, and post Khitomer, but after Kirk died (as far as their concerned), Chekov finally steps up as 1st officer for Sulu.
That's great. I've got to grab those. I was thrilled when Sulu finally made Captain and got the ship of his dreams. I'd love to read some of his adventures.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:47 PM   #44
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It would have been sort of nice to see Chekov as Sulu's first officer.
Yes, that's what they should have done.
Agreed. It would have been nice to see onscreen.
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Old September 3 2013, 08:49 PM   #45
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Likewise, Admiral Kirk wouldn't have lost his credibility by posing as the skipper of the Enterprise...

Uh, in TOS women were forbidden from being Captain.
Naah. The insane Janice Lester was forbidden from hanging around Captain Kirk, is all.

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It escapes me why people don't get that.
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