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Old September 5 2013, 12:37 AM   #61
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Re: Defending J.J. Abrams (rant) (Spoilers)

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Someone is over thinking a bunch of incidents in a tv show. To be fair, Plasus wouldn't listen to any sort of reasoning so exposing him to the zienite gas was the only way to gt him to listen.
Just like some folks are overthinking a couple of movies in a futile attempt to tear them down.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:40 AM   #62
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Someone is over thinking a bunch of incidents in a tv show. To be fair, Plasus wouldn't listen to any sort of reasoning so exposing him to the zienite gas was the only way to gt him to listen.
You're the one talking about "life lessons" from TOS

Kirk's only mission was to get the zienite, it wasn't his job to make Plasus listen.

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Someone is over thinking a bunch of incidents in a tv show. To be fair, Plasus wouldn't listen to any sort of reasoning so exposing him to the zienite gas was the only way to gt him to listen.
Just like some folks are overthinking a couple of movies in a futile attempt to tear them down.
Bingo.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:41 AM   #63
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Re: Defending J.J. Abrams (rant) (Spoilers)

Yeah, but.... transwarp beaming... blue warp nacelles... Khan...
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Old September 5 2013, 12:48 AM   #64
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And the Children Shall Lead - the kids were often left alone on the ship. That's how they were able to conjure the "friendly angel" in secret. Who leaves kids that have just lost their parents unsupervised? Especially when McCoy reports how concerned he is about their emotional state? "Just lost yer' parents? Ah! Suck it up kids..."

Great "life lesson"...
They were temporarily left alone in their quarters, try again. Anyway I'm going to let you guys shovel it, I have yet to find a legitimate intellectual response to anything I have said thus far. You guys really should knock off the baity flaming responses to everything. Yet more proof that JJtrek fans are super hostile to anyone with a differing opinion. I guess that makes up for the fact that no one likes the Trek reboot and you know it and it pisses you people off. Have fun.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:50 AM   #65
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No one around here hates TOS. Most of us just don't hold it up as some infallible holy grail of science-fiction.

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And the Children Shall Lead - the kids were often left alone on the ship. That's how they were able to conjure the "friendly angel" in secret. Who leaves kids that have just lost their parents unsupervised? Especially when McCoy reports how concerned he is about their emotional state? "Just lost yer' parents? Ah! Suck it up kids..."

Great "life lesson"...
They were temporarily left alone in their quarters, try again. Anyway I'm going to let you guys shovel it, I have yet to find a legitimate intellectual response to anything I have said thus far. You guys really should knock off the baity flaming responses to everything. Yet more proof that JJtrek fans are super hostile to anyone with a differing opinion. I guess that makes up for the fact that no one likes the Trek reboot and you know it and it pisses you people off. Have fun.
* Yeah, cause's that safe. Take emotionally traumatized children, beam them up to a ship, leave them alone in strange quarters for any length of time.

* #6 film of the summer on Rotten Tomatoes, only beat out by indie films. Yeah, no one likes it

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Yeah, but.... transwarp beaming... blue warp nacelles... Khan...
Starships coasting to a stop in space, space amoebas, super size bugle snacks of doom, and threatening to nuke a planet after you violate their airspace.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:57 AM   #66
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Re: Defending J.J. Abrams (rant) (Spoilers)

Star Trek Into Darkness - Worldwide the highest grossing Star Trek film of all time.

Yep, ya' got me. I'm soooooo hostile, and it's because no one likes STiD.

Oooooooo...



BTW, I love TOS. I grew up on it, and I think the last 2 movies have done a wonderful job honoring it's legacy.

It's just that I don't see TOS as this highly sophisticated, deeply intellectual piece of science fiction art. It's got some good stories, some good commentary about society of the day, some great character relationships, some funny moments, some cheesy moments, some sexy moments, some great action, some crazy aliens.

Yep, STiD is just like TOS.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:59 AM   #67
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Star Trek Into Darkness - Worldwide the highest grossing Star Trek film of all time.

Yep, ya' got me. I'm hostile because no one likes it.

Oooooooo...

I know man, complete box office bomb. Everyone fucking hated it. Why couldn't it have been a hit like Star Trek V or Nemesis.
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Old September 5 2013, 01:14 AM   #68
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I'm angry because they won't make anymore Star Trek ever again obviously, since STiD did so poorly because everybody hated it so much.

Oh, well...
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Old September 5 2013, 01:18 AM   #69
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I'm angry because they won't make anymore Star Trek ever again obviously, since STiD did so poorly because everybody hated it so much.

Oh, well...
I know man. And they didn't bring back D. Kelly or Jame Doohan either; sure their dead, but they could have CGIed into the movie*.



* - actually got that one off Facebook.
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Old September 5 2013, 01:20 AM   #70
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Hugge? Apparently Abrams doesn't inspire proper grammar. Maybe you should stick to Abrams Trek only.
Okay, your first post I might have let slide, assuming snark rather than intent to bait. Your second post is making it much more personal and the baiting more pointed; that will earn you a warning for trolling.

Comments on this should be taken to PM.

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Of course I'm going to recieve and infraction or two on here, I don't agree with you people so your pro Abrams attitudes has you eager to slap down anyone with a differing point of view.
Differing points of view are fine, but "Comments to PM" does mean that discussion of a warning or other moderator action is to be taken to PM, not carried on in the thread.

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Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
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They were temporarily left alone in their quarters, try again. Anyway I'm going to let you guys shovel it, I have yet to find a legitimate intellectual response to anything I have said thus far. You guys really should knock off the baity flaming responses to everything. Yet more proof that JJtrek fans are super hostile to anyone with a differing opinion. I guess that makes up for the fact that no one likes the Trek reboot and you know it and it pisses you people off. Have fun.
These'll get you another trolling warning, though. As before, comments to PM.
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Old September 5 2013, 03:03 AM   #71
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Someone is over thinking a bunch of incidents in a tv show.
To be fair, if the movies are to be judged by their content (or as you contend, lack of content) then it's only fair to judge Star Trek: The Original Series by that same standard.

Star Trek, as it existed from 1966-69, was very much about Kirk going out and enforcing "truth, justice and the American way" and there's nothing wrong with that because it's fun to watch. But if you tried to mold your foreign policy on the actions of Jim Kirk and that Starfleet, you'd have a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Going around and enforcing your values on others doesn't garner you respect it garners you venom and distrust. I pointed to the episode "A Taste of Armageddon" earlier in this thread and I think its one you should take time to re-watch to understand what I'm talking about. It shows a Federation that is heavy-handed in dealing with technologically less advanced cultures and a Federation that will attempt to enforce its will on said cultures.

The reason I like the Abrams films is the same thing that drew me to TOS to begin with: they're incredibly fun to watch. Are the Abrams films as "deep" as TOS attempted to be? No. But I think that's more a by-product of two things: having two hours to tell a complete story and trying to expand the base of people who are willing to buy tickets to a Star Trek movie. Because, face it, without ticket buyers or people who are willing to watch Star Trek on TV the franchise is dead and buried. I was amazed Abrams was able to resuscitate the franchise after all the ill-will that had accumulated towards the end of the Berman run.

YMMV.
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Old September 5 2013, 03:23 AM   #72
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Perhaps this one new poster is overthinking his own importance.
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Old September 15 2013, 04:57 AM   #73
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On an entertainment level, STID was definitely better than ST 2009. That being said, the franchise is a lot worse off than it was after Nemesis. They've totally ruined Trek, they intent was to replace the original despite their bullshit claim that the prime universe continues. Now they are facing backlash from objective fans, some of the people here are going to kiss abrams ass and stick up for nutrek no matter what but the fact remains that there is a legitimate hatred for this new version of Trek and that feeling isn't going to go away. The best way to deal with paramount and abrams is to speak with your wallets.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:27 AM   #74
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On an entertainment level, STID was definitely better than ST 2009. That being said, the franchise is a lot worse off than it was after Nemesis. They've totally ruined Trek, they intent was to replace the original despite their bullshit claim that the prime universe continues. Now they are facing backlash from objective fans, some of the people here are going to kiss abrams ass and stick up for nutrek no matter what but the fact remains that there is a legitimate hatred for this new version of Trek and that feeling isn't going to go away. The best way to deal with paramount and abrams is to speak with your wallets.
People did. The last two movies have made bank. A minority of disgruntled fans among a dwindling fanbase of hardcore, inflexible fans, aren't going to affect shit.
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Old September 15 2013, 07:19 AM   #75
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On an entertainment level, STID was definitely better than ST 2009. That being said, the franchise is a lot worse off than it was after Nemesis. They've totally ruined Trek, they intent was to replace the original despite their bullshit claim that the prime universe continues. Now they are facing backlash from objective fans, some of the people here are going to kiss abrams ass and stick up for nutrek no matter what but the fact remains that there is a legitimate hatred for this new version of Trek and that feeling isn't going to go away. The best way to deal with paramount and abrams is to speak with your wallets.
(emphasis mine)

Two warnings in this thread already, and you're still taking swipes at fans of Abrams' Trek?

Here's another one, to go with those; comments to PM.
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