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Old September 4 2013, 11:39 PM   #46
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Re: Defending J.J. Abrams (rant) (Spoilers)

Character growth is something that resonates through other stories. Not a plot point that we never hear about again after it happens.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:43 PM   #47
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I am a long time TOS fan and I do not think it is obsolete. I am also a hugge JJ Abrams fan and think he has done a wonderful job with Star Trek.
Hugge? Apparently Abrams doesn't inspire proper grammar. Maybe you should stick to Abrams Trek only.
Okay, your first post I might have let slide, assuming snark rather than intent to bait. Your second post is making it much more personal and the baiting more pointed; that will earn you a warning for trolling.

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This board seems to be VERY pro Abrams from what I've read.
You are absolutely right on that one. They should change the name to JJTrekBBS.
You'll want to take that up in the Questions, Suggestions & Feedback forum. We don't do name changes in this one.

Of course I'm going to recieve and infraction or two on here, I don't agree with you people so your pro Abrams attitudes has you eager to slap down anyone with a differing point of view.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:45 PM   #48
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You are absolutely right on that one. They should change the name to JJTrekBBS. They are so pro Abrams it's not funny, to them the classic trek is old and obsolete. The classic version of Star Trek is superior to this new version in every way, the classic had life lessons and philosophy that could be applied to the real world plus it had a scientific system based on real astronomy.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. But what else is new?

I like the Abrams films though I think they have flaws and am a huge fan of Star Trek: The Original Series which I started watching in 1975.

So you can take and cram your generalizations. Mmkay?
Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
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Old September 4 2013, 11:59 PM   #49
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Re: Defending J.J. Abrams (rant) (Spoilers)

Clearly there is a disconnect between saying you don't care for the new movie (others here don't and have shared why) and being able to do so without being insulting about it.

The only nerves you're hitting, it seems, are the moderator's, and I think the perhaps quite soon he's about ready to rectify this "pain".

Just sayin'...
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Old September 5 2013, 12:01 AM   #50
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You are absolutely right on that one. They should change the name to JJTrekBBS. They are so pro Abrams it's not funny, to them the classic trek is old and obsolete. The classic version of Star Trek is superior to this new version in every way, the classic had life lessons and philosophy that could be applied to the real world plus it had a scientific system based on real astronomy.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. But what else is new?

I like the Abrams films though I think they have flaws and am a huge fan of Star Trek: The Original Series which I started watching in 1975.

So you can take and cram your generalizations. Mmkay?
Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
* If you don't like a government, it's okay to over throw them and leave them in chaos.

* 400 advanced people and their ship are worth more than a planet of primitives.

* It's okay to break the rules, if you have a really good reason.

* It's okay to lie and cover up for your friends to protect their military records.

That sort of life lesson?

I love TOS, but I don't build my life around its "lessons". It's fun, entertaining, and not completely mindless. But it's just a TV show at the end of the day.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:05 AM   #51
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You really have no idea what you're talking about. But what else is new?

I like the Abrams films though I think they have flaws and am a huge fan of Star Trek: The Original Series which I started watching in 1975.

So you can take and cram your generalizations. Mmkay?
Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
* If you don't like a government, it's okay to over throw them and leave them in chaos.

* 400 advanced people and their ship are worth more than a planet of primitives.

* It's okay to break the rules, if you have a really good reason.

* It's okay to lie and cover up for your friends to protect their military records.

That sort of life lesson?

I love TOS, but I don't build my life around its "lessons". It's fun, entertaining, and not completely mindless. But it's just a TV show at the end of the day.
How about "Don't let your hate destroy you" From Let this Be Your Last Battlefield, for openers. There were 430 people not 400, governments break the rules all of the time so any an opposing party did the same thing they wouldn't be in the wrong.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:10 AM   #52
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Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
* If you don't like a government, it's okay to over throw them and leave them in chaos.

* 400 advanced people and their ship are worth more than a planet of primitives.

* It's okay to break the rules, if you have a really good reason.

* It's okay to lie and cover up for your friends to protect their military records.

That sort of life lesson?

I love TOS, but I don't build my life around its "lessons". It's fun, entertaining, and not completely mindless. But it's just a TV show at the end of the day.
How about "Don't let your hate destroy you" From Let this Be Your Last Battlefield, for openers. There were 430 people not 400, governments break the rules all of the time so any an opposing party did the same thing they wouldn't be in the wrong.
So 30 more people make it okay to throw millions into chaos and cost how many lives? Think about it enough, Kirk and the Federation were imperialist assholes.

Any way: TOS was a product of it's time. Kirk a poster boy for American military expansion. "Our way is the only way, or you're the enemy".
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Old September 5 2013, 12:14 AM   #53
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* If you don't like a government, it's okay to over throw them and leave them in chaos.

* 400 advanced people and their ship are worth more than a planet of primitives.

* It's okay to break the rules, if you have a really good reason.

* It's okay to lie and cover up for your friends to protect their military records.

That sort of life lesson?

I love TOS, but I don't build my life around its "lessons". It's fun, entertaining, and not completely mindless. But it's just a TV show at the end of the day.
How about "Don't let your hate destroy you" From Let this Be Your Last Battlefield, for openers. There were 430 people not 400, governments break the rules all of the time so any an opposing party did the same thing they wouldn't be in the wrong.
So 30 more people make it okay to throw millions into chaos and cost how many lives? Think about it enough, Kirk and the Federation were imperialist assholes.

Any way: TOS was a product of it's time. Kirk a poster boy for American military expansion. "Our way is the only way, or you're the enemy".
That's not the impression I got when watching the show, Starfleet's attitude was "Our way is the best way in our opinion but if you don't want to do things our way then you are on your own". Starfleet didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to, that behavior was left to the Klingons.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:19 AM   #54
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* What's the best thing for kids after their parents die? Leave them isolated and alone (And the Children Shall Lead)

* Women? Just too darned scary emotional for command... (Turnabout Intruder)

* Don't bet against Kirk with an arm full of kironide when death is on the line (Plato's Stepchildren)
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Old September 5 2013, 12:20 AM   #55
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I suggest you go watch A Taste of Armageddon.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:22 AM   #56
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* What's the best thing for kids after their parents die? Leave them isolated and alone (And the Children Shall Lead)

* Women? Just too darned scary emotional for command... (Turnabout Intruder)

* Don't bet against Kirk with an arm full of kironide when death is on the line (Plato's Stepchildren)

The Enterprise took the kids to a starbase at the end of And the Children Shall Lead. They weren't left alone.
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How about "Don't let your hate destroy you" From Let this Be Your Last Battlefield, for openers. There were 430 people not 400, governments break the rules all of the time so any an opposing party did the same thing they wouldn't be in the wrong.
So 30 more people make it okay to throw millions into chaos and cost how many lives? Think about it enough, Kirk and the Federation were imperialist assholes.

Any way: TOS was a product of it's time. Kirk a poster boy for American military expansion. "Our way is the only way, or you're the enemy".
That's not the impression I got when watching the show, Starfleet's attitude was "Our way is the best way in our opinion but if you don't want to do things our way then you are on your own". Starfleet didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to, that behavior was left to the Klingons.
Yeah, cause over throwing a government is letting the people decide. Threating to slag a planet is letting the people decide. Destroying a weather controlling computer and warping off to let the naive natives deal with radical weather changes and with no knowledge on how to survive on their own is letting the people decide.

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* What's the best thing for kids after their parents die? Leave them isolated and alone (And the Children Shall Lead)

* Women? Just too darned scary emotional for command... (Turnabout Intruder)

* Don't bet against Kirk with an arm full of kironide when death is on the line (Plato's Stepchildren)
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Old September 5 2013, 12:31 AM   #58
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Clearly you people have never seen the original series or else you would know what I'm talking about when i said philosophies and life lessons. I don't know why you people act like immature kids whenever I present a broad statement, I hit a nerve apparently.
So I'm not a TOS fan because I disagree about the quality of the Abrams films? That's good to know because I've been wasting a ton of space and money on TOS for thirty years now.

Thank you for telling me! Now I can quit wasting money and clear up a ton of space in my house!
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Old September 5 2013, 12:35 AM   #59
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Someone is over thinking a bunch of incidents in a tv show. To be fair, Plasus wouldn't listen to any sort of reasoning so exposing him to the zienite gas was the only way to gt him to listen.
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And the Children Shall Lead - the kids were often left alone on the ship. That's how they were able to conjure the "friendly angel" in secret. Who leaves kids that have just lost their parents unsupervised? Especially when McCoy reports how concerned he is about their emotional state? "Just lost yer' parents? Ah! Suck it up kids..."

Great "life lesson"...
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