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Old August 26 2013, 11:00 PM   #16
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Re: The Prime Directive

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the TOS Prime Directive was a sensible enough idea and flexible enough to work.

The TNG PD was social Darwinist nonsense that led to ethically monstrous decisions.
Agreed. TNG seemed to carry the Prime Directive too far.
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Old August 27 2013, 01:11 AM   #17
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Tom Paris said it best when Janeway decided to let an entire race die because they don't know the consequences of what will happen, "They're all going to die, anything's got to be better than that!"

Seriously... the whole "natural disaster" clause of the prime directive is the equivalent of saying you should let a pregnant woman you see die simply because her kid might be Hitler. Not only that, but saying it's moral to do so.
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Old August 27 2013, 01:22 AM   #18
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Re: The Prime Directive

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But if you go by Enterprise, it seems to have come from the Vulcans and not the humans.
Nobody wants logic at a time like this!
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Old August 27 2013, 04:15 AM   #19
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Re: The Prime Directive

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Tom Paris said it best when Janeway decided to let an entire race die because they don't know the consequences of what will happen, "They're all going to die, anything's got to be better than that!"

Seriously... the whole "natural disaster" clause of the prime directive is the equivalent of saying you should let a pregnant woman you see die simply because her kid might be Hitler. Not only that, but saying it's moral to do so.
Yeah, TNG era writers really missed the boat with their interpretation of the prime directive. At times it's almost like they're defending God's right to do as he pleases without interference. That seems insanely counter to the views of TOS and also really damn arrogant. TOS regularly "interfered" to save a society from getting destroyed or being dominated by an "undesirable" influence (For the World is Hollow, Paradise Syndrome, The Apple, etc).

As for whether or not it's arrogant - I'm going to go with not really. To acknowledge that your influence might fuck things up and then steer clear seems more like self awareness. Of course, that breaks down in later series, but it works well as defined in TOS.
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Old August 27 2013, 11:43 PM   #20
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Re: The Prime Directive

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Seriously... the whole "natural disaster" clause of the prime directive is the equivalent of saying you should let a pregnant woman you see die simply because her kid might be Hitler. Not only that, but saying it's moral to do so.
No. It's the equivalent of letting the pregnant woman die because you don't believe it's your place to save her. It has nothing to do with what the culture (her children) may or may not become. It's the belief that people, cultures, civilizations have no right to interfere in ANY way with any other people, culture or civilization.

Which, of course, flies in the face of morality. The whole idea of an Olympic swimmer watching a man drown because the swimmer feels it is not his place to save the man is quite ludicrous.
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