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Old August 23 2013, 11:08 PM   #16
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Warped9, even if you were right, you'd still not be seeing the episodes in high definition, so what difference would it even make?

IMO, until you've seen Trek in HD, you haven't really ever seen Trek. The color, the detail, there's just no comparison to any DVD version of Star Trek. And some of the original FX actually do hold up in HD.
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Old August 23 2013, 11:32 PM   #17
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I don't have any equipment that would enable me to see high definition, so unfortunately I've never seen Star Trek apparently, and never will.

But I can imagine what the effect must feel like. I was a big fan of The Man From U.N.C.L.E., starting with its first year in black & white. We got a color TV the following summer, because I was unsubtly leaving Sears catalogs around open showing them. That fall, there was a commercial for UNCLE's new season, with Robert Vaughn saying "Don't miss our debut, in color!"

It was great until the stories started trying to imitate Batman.
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Old August 23 2013, 11:48 PM   #18
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
Warped9, even if you were right, you'd still not be seeing the episodes in high definition, so what difference would it even make?

IMO, until you've seen Trek in HD, you haven't really ever seen Trek. The color, the detail, there's just no comparison to any DVD version of Star Trek. And some of the original FX actually do hold up in HD.
What I see already reveals production sins I could do without seeing. As is I see great detail in costuming and sets as well as good colour. What do I need to see even more production shortfalls in HD for? And considering I have seen TOS-R in HD I know I'm not missing anything. I don't need the extra resolution and I don't need cartoony f/x to support the already great storytelling.
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Old August 24 2013, 12:05 AM   #19
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I don't have any equipment that would enable me to see high definition, so unfortunately I've never seen Star Trek apparently, and never will.
You're never going to buy a new TV?
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Old August 24 2013, 12:09 AM   #20
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You're never going to buy a new TV?
Nope. There's no point in it, my vision's deteriorating. I'm leaning close into the monitor right now.
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Old August 24 2013, 12:56 AM   #21
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Do not like.
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Old August 24 2013, 01:00 AM   #22
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As is I see great detail in costuming and sets as well as good colour. What do I need to see even more production shortfalls in HD for? And considering I have seen TOS-R in HD I know I'm not missing anything. I don't need the extra resolution and I don't need cartoony f/x to support the already great storytelling.
That's a slightly odd position to take. I went TOS Blu-ray and never looked back.
1. I see more detail with better contrast and nicely saturated colors, which all leads up to a TOS presentation that's better than ever before. I don't think it hurts things at all.
I'd like to see as much of the detail of the original 35mm film as we can get.

2. TOS-R on BD does not mean you have to see the new CGI, you can choose the old effects, so again best of both worlds there.
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Old August 24 2013, 03:45 AM   #23
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I remember when these came out in 1999 but I never got them because I didn't have DVD at that time. I can imagine that these "earliest" DVD releases would be quite collectable today. Say what you will about the convenience (and saved shelf space!) of boxsets, but I've always thought individual releases of TV shows have got a greater collectability factor. They look great all lined up together on shelves too!

The Star Trek DVD Files also released individual discs with the episodes in production order (three episodes to a disc IIRC). I saw the one for 'The Trouble With Tribbles' at a local thrift store no more than a few weeks ago.
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Old August 24 2013, 01:42 PM   #24
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As is I see great detail in costuming and sets as well as good colour. What do I need to see even more production shortfalls in HD for? And considering I have seen TOS-R in HD I know I'm not missing anything. I don't need the extra resolution and I don't need cartoony f/x to support the already great storytelling.
That's a slightly odd position to take. I went TOS Blu-ray and never looked back.
1. I see more detail with better contrast and nicely saturated colors, which all leads up to a TOS presentation that's better than ever before. I don't think it hurts things at all.
I'd like to see as much of the detail of the original 35mm film as we can get.

2. TOS-R on BD does not mean you have to see the new CGI, you can choose the old effects, so again best of both worlds there.
This.
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Old August 24 2013, 02:32 PM   #25
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2. TOS-R on BD does not mean you have to see the new CGI, you can choose the old effects, so again best of both worlds there.
Can't argue with that.
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Old August 24 2013, 03:12 PM   #26
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I have a Blu-ray player.
I'm happy with the DVD sets I have.
I have no interest in TOS-R.
Why should I spend the money?

No different than the DVDs of movies I bought before the I got the Blu-Ray player. Since the Blu-Ray player is backwards compatible then I have no need to replace those films I bought previously---a good thing because it would be quite an expense.
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Old August 24 2013, 06:42 PM   #27
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I watched the Blu-rays on a 7' wide front projection screen (Full HD) and despite the large image I couldn't really see production screw-ups except for the occasional seams at Spock's ears (and I only paid attention after it had been mentioned here).

One of the great things about HD resolution is the sharpness that gives the images such a "live" feel that you actually do wonder if they shot this a week ago. To me the whole thing had characteristics of a time travel experience into the future.

My biggest issue with DVDs has and always will be that the MPEG-2 data compression is sacrifying a lot of color fidelity.
Considering how colorful the original show was (at least from the director's point of view), DVD betrays a lot of these colors while the Blu-rays don't (however, it did seem to me - "Journey to Babel" murdered Tellarite scene! - that in the latest restoration they didn't get these colors always right).

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Old August 24 2013, 07:23 PM   #28
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I don't need the extra resolution and I don't need cartoony f/x to support the already great storytelling.
Um... what do the added FX have to do with the remaster? Nothing. I don't watch the cartoony FX myself. I watch the episodes with the original FX. In HD. And it's absolutely stunning.
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Since the Blu-Ray player is backwards compatible then I have no need to replace those films I bought previously---a good thing because it would be quite an expense.
This position makes sense to me. What I don't get is the outright hostility to the HD remaster of TOS. If you're a TOS purist as I am, this should be a no-brainer -- presenting TOS (again with all the original FX) as close to the quality of the 35mm film as possible, what the show really looks like but which TV was never before able to reveal. I don't care for most of the new FX, but 1) the new FX have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the remaster, and 2) I don't have to watch the episodes with the new FX.

I just don't understand your position at all.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:52 AM   #29
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I just don't understand your position at all.
I'm happy with the DVD sets I have (circa 2006 or thereabouts). I can't justify spending the money to buy something yet again for a little extra resolution.

What I have presently satisfies we whenever I want to watch a TOS episode and they're sufficient whenever I need a screencap for one of my photomanips. TOS is my favourite overall series ever, but I draw the line when it comes to expressing my fan interest. Speaking only for myself it's folly to spend money for something I already have and for little gain. If I didn't already have the DVD sets or they were stolen or lost somehow (heaven forbid) then it would make sense to get the Blu-Ray sets even though I have no interest in TOS-R. But as it stands I don't have the incentive or justification to spend that money.
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
I just don't understand your position at all.
I'm happy with the DVD sets I have (circa 2006 or thereabouts). I can't justify spending the money to buy something yet again for a little extra resolution.

What I have presently satisfies we whenever I want to watch a TOS episode and they're sufficient whenever I need a screencap for one of my photomanips. TOS is my favourite overall series ever, but I draw the line when it comes to expressing my fan interest. Speaking only for myself it's folly to spend money for something I already have and for little gain. If I didn't already have the DVD sets or they were stolen or lost somehow (heaven forbid) then it would make sense to get the Blu-Ray sets even though I have no interest in TOS-R. But as it stands I don't have the incentive or justification to spend that money.
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