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Old August 25 2013, 12:37 AM   #16
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

I don't see the sense in keeping Roddenberry's B&W print under lock and key, though. It's an important historical document and somebody ought to make it available to the public, warts and all.

(Yes, even members of the public who have warts.)

If you want to hear the complete original soundtrack (albeit in the form of a very crappy audience recording), try this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4RPRxPyns&hl=en&fs=1&">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4RPRxPyns&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">

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Old August 25 2013, 12:48 AM   #17
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^It's not about "lock and key," it's about profitability, most likely. The market for a print of such low quality is limited, so the potential profit CBS could make from a release wouldn't be enough to justify the cost of producing it.
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Old August 25 2013, 12:51 AM   #18
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

Would have made a good extra, though, and they wouldn't really need to clean it up.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:23 AM   #19
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

I remember seeing the patched together print in 1988, watching it on a 19" tv. As rough as it was, it was still great. It had not been broadcast in its entirety before. GR's commentary was pretty cool, too.

I think people these days don't appreciate the way things were before big flat screens and 1080 resolution and 1000 channels, and even remote controls. Making people aware of how good things are now is not a bad thing.

Reminding people of this stuff is good, no matter how stupid they think it is.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:27 AM   #20
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

Carcazoid wrote: View Post

Reminding people of this stuff is good, no matter how stupid they think it is.
The cool 1% won't think it's stupid.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:34 AM   #21
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Reminding people of this stuff is good, no matter how stupid they think it is.
The cool 1% won't think it's stupid.
Sure, but it's the 99% of fans in these parts who are the most vocal.
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Old August 25 2013, 02:02 AM   #22
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

There is a precedent for releasing unaired pilot versions of episodes since the season 3 Blu-ray set includes (in HD!) "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
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Old August 25 2013, 06:29 AM   #23
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Would have made a good extra, though, and they wouldn't really need to clean it up.
I kind of enjoyed the rough b&w footage from the Roddenberry print, it gave The Cage even more of a golden-age 50's vibe than it already had.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:40 PM   #24
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I remember seeing the patched together print in 1988, watching it on a 19" tv. As rough as it was, it was still great. It had not been broadcast in its entirety before. GR's commentary was pretty cool, too.
Yeah, I had that on VHS back in the day, and I loved it, even though Roddenberry is full of crap in his intro.
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Old August 25 2013, 05:53 PM   #25
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I had both VHS versions of "The Cage", with the black&white cuts, and the full color version. I was one of those who suspected it was simply colorized, though later details about the discovery of the found color footage has me leaning the other direction. I had two copies of "The Menagerie" too, the one released in the series package, and an earlier one in a big cardboard book-like case. The latter was the first tape I bought after buying a VCR. It was the store's only rental copy, and I convinced them to sell it to me. It must have been around 1985 or 86.
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Old August 26 2013, 12:13 PM   #26
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It got Lucassed.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:02 PM   #27
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Re: "The Cage" Original Version

I have a VHS containing the pilots from TOS, TNG, and DS9, which I has the complete episode.

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Old August 26 2013, 03:07 PM   #28
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It got Lucassed.
Lucas was hardly the first creator to rework his creation when given the opportunity. Few creators are ever entirely satisfied with the published/released versions of their works. The "finished" work is the end result of a lengthy process of rethinking and revision and trial and error, so why should that process end just because the story's been released to the public? The creator's still going to think of new ideas and improvements and fixes even after it's come out, especiall once there's audience feedback to point out flaws the creator didn't notice before.

So many writers have revised their novels on later re-releases, even rewritten them as completely new novels -- like Arthur C. Clarke reworking Against the Fall of Night into The City and the Stars, or David Gerrold expanding Yesterday's Children into Starhunt and then rebooting it entirely as Voyage of the Star Wolf.
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Old August 26 2013, 07:58 PM   #29
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There is also the Orion slave scene that was edited/rearanged before it was shown to anyone:
http://www.startrekhistory.com/cagepage.html (scroll down)

Someone should make a list of all the "Cage" versions (original, B & W print, "Menagerie" edit, 1986 color/BW hybrid, 1988 color/color hybrid, remastered, and different broadcast and DVD/Blu-ray permutations etc.) with all the differences detailed.

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Old August 26 2013, 08:00 PM   #30
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I have a VHS containing the pilots from TOS, TNG, and DS9, which I has the complete episode.

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The complete B&W print?
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