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View Poll Results: Voth vs. Borg
Voth 12 36.36%
Borg 16 48.48%
Dunno 5 15.15%
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Old August 23 2013, 07:46 PM   #16
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Re: Voth vs. the Borg

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Who were these two people who answered "dunno". Why have they got no opinion, don't they know that isn't allowed this is the internet goddamit.
I was one of them. Forbid I leave myself open minded about a race that only appears in one episode.
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Old August 23 2013, 07:52 PM   #17
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As a race somewhat more advanced than the Federation combined tech level, it would make sense that the Voth would be of interest to the Borg, in respect to the fact that due to their tech level the Voth may be a potential threat to the Borg, even if the Borg already have all the Voth tech (or equivalent). Since the Borg go about assimilating whole races, not just a few notable individuals and some tech, it is surprising (possibly due to bad writing) that any highly advanced species exist in the DQ, for example Hirogen, Devore and 'The Hierarchy' and had not been wiped out.

Given that the Voth had been in that area of space for so long, and had not formed a massive empire or colonial nation strikes as odd, unless of course, the Voth ship/ fleet was pretty much all that was left of them, after having been given a whipping by the Borg - and that the city ship was 'on the run'.
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Old August 24 2013, 08:12 PM   #18
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Voth aren't afraid to build large vessels. The Doomsday Machine may actually be a simple vessel in some respects. A big civil war cannon can defeat 21st century body armor due to raw power. I think the Voth would get early victories, at least.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:41 AM   #19
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Don't the Voth have personal phasing cloaks, and can transport entire starships at once?

The Borg don't seem to have those things, so it's unlikely they've been successful in their assimilation attempts.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:19 AM   #20
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The Voth have superior Transwarp Drive to the Borg. The Borg need Conduit networks, the Voth don't.
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Old August 25 2013, 03:49 AM   #21
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The Borg may also designate non dominant, but useful species... Possibly even non sentient beasts of burdens like massive dinosaurs or donkeys who can act as drones with out participating in the collective mental concensus. They could find 10 to a hundred usable species on any one planet, but then you have to remember that if they hit a commercial space trading station, they could access just a thousand species in an afternoon... And they give the designation BEFORE the species is completely assimilated.

Why are the Ferengi Species 180?
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Old August 25 2013, 04:37 AM   #22
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Why are the Ferengi Species 180?
They were marked down from 199.99

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Old August 25 2013, 11:36 AM   #23
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Old August 25 2013, 01:19 PM   #24
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The Voth have superior Transwarp Drive to the Borg. The Borg need Conduit networks, the Voth don't.
The Borg don't need to use a network, they choose to. Or at least, that would seem to be the case considering the use of transwarp in Descent.
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Old August 25 2013, 01:44 PM   #25
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The Voth have superior Transwarp Drive to the Borg. The Borg need Conduit networks, the Voth don't.
The Borg don't need to use a network, they choose to. Or at least, that would seem to be the case considering the use of transwarp in Descent.
I think that method of transwarp is slower, at least from what I can gather

the Voth seem to be able to cover tens of thousands of light years in very little time at all, whereas i think that still takes the borg months of time without use of a conduit

could be wrong though
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Old August 25 2013, 01:47 PM   #26
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No, they need to use transwarp conduits.

A transwarp conduit is like a train track.

Any cube can use a preexisting conduit at rapid speed, or make a new conduit which slows transit down considerably. With forethought the Borg make conduits between many desirable locations and the 6 transwarp hubs in the milky way galaxy so that future Borg do not have to dick around.

A transwarp hub is like a trainstation.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:50 PM   #27
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Why do so many people think the Borg are so badass. The Federation learnt to cope with them pretty quickly. They dominate the delta quadrant FFS.....a quadrant with the least impressive species in the galaxy that are easily assimilated....a quadrant where my gran could probably kick a lot of ass

The Voth would crush the Borg, have a morning dump then a delightful breakfast
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Old August 26 2013, 10:53 PM   #28
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But here's the problem... I think morally they can't because they must have something similar to the Prime Directive to stop them from dominating or manipulating all the younger races.

Or maybe the Voth are so advanced they don't need to fight the Borg, they can break the collectives encryption and rewrite their programming at a whim.

They could have placed limits on the Borg, to allow life in the Delta Quadrant to continue within reason, while allowing the Borg way of life seem to be autonomous within reason.
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Old August 27 2013, 02:50 AM   #29
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Re: Voth vs. the Borg

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But here's the problem... I think morally they can't because they must have something similar to the Prime Directive to stop them from dominating or manipulating all the younger races.

Or maybe the Voth are so advanced they don't need to fight the Borg, they can break the collectives encryption and rewrite their programming at a whim.

They could have placed limits on the Borg, to allow life in the Delta Quadrant to continue within reason, while allowing the Borg way of life seem to be autonomous within reason.
Or the Voth care only for the Voth. Let them eat cake, they may say about other races facing the Borg.
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Old August 27 2013, 08:17 AM   #30
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Honestly, my impression is the Voth are just aloof --- they feel as though the Borg are so below them they aren't worth their time. We've seen they actively seem to discriminate against mammals in general and what are the borg primarily (as seen on screen at least)?

As for why the Borg hasn't assimilated a lot of the races we've seen in the DQ, in another thread regarding the episode, "Living Witness" (S04E23), it was discussed why the Federation still hasn't reached the planet where The Doctor was some 900 years later and someone did a great calculation that proved it simply takes a very, very, very, very long time to explore, catalouge, make contact, open relationships and move on; and that's assuming a constant rate of expansion. If its not constant, or you got in a few wars along the way, it would set you back a few hundred years.

The Borg are, no doubt, in the same boat.

We know the only reason the Borg proactively scouted out the Alpha Quadrant because of the events of Star Trek Enterprise's Episode "Regeneration" (S02E24). If you want to go into Path to 2409, you can track it back to even more specifically to the events of the Columbia in "Gods of the Night"; we learned the origin of the Borg were because of a random mutation with the Caeliar species and a random strain of the Omega molecule.

Though I'm not going to live in a fantasy world and claim TPTB had that much planned out, from a story standpoint, we could assert the ONLY REASON the Borg Ship was around the Federation to begin with was to:

A.) Seek the distress signal sent by the Borg from Star Trek: First Contact

B.) To discover more information about their own origins.

C.) To discover more information about the Omega Molecule.

Otherwise, there's likely no reason the Borg would have been in the Alpha Quadrant.
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