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Old September 28 2013, 01:43 PM   #121
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Re: Moffat Talks 13th, sorry, 12th Doctor

Yep, Moffat has gone batshit bonkers. Although I always thought he was anyway.

but if RTD originally created this concept, maybe he will write one or two episodes, and maybe it could turn out to be okay.

But this has got Moffat written all over it. It could go 50 50.
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Old September 28 2013, 01:48 PM   #122
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Yeah, its iffy, to say the least. I don't dislike the idea behind it - but Moffat has proven that he's better at writing for another showrunner than at writing while he is the showrunner.

Here's hoping RTD and Moffat could iron out this plot thread together, and not simply be Moffat running on RTD's vague idea of what could've been.
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Old September 28 2013, 01:54 PM   #123
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Yeah, maybe if they both worked as show runners.

Yeah, Moffat definitely wrote better under RTD than he did while in charge.
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Old September 28 2013, 02:23 PM   #124
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Yeah, this sounds pretty bad. I wouldn't mind a cute little joke about it, like when Martha was talking about her cousin. Hell, that could work when the Twelfth Doctor meets Jack.

Jack: "What the hell?!"
Doctor: "Oh, hello Jack. Nice seeing you again."
Jack: "You died. I confirmed that!"
Doctor: "And then I regenerated."
Jack: "...Doctor?"
Doctor: "Someone else you thinking of?"
Jack: "Got to say, I'm not liking this new look."

But this? No, just no.

I remember Russell [T Davies] told me that he had a big old plan as to why there were two Peter Capaldi’s in the Who universe: one in Pompeii and one in Torchwood.
Wouldn't that just be the time/space duplicity thing that explains why Gwen Cooper so similar to Gwyneth from The Unquiet Dead?
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Old September 28 2013, 03:24 PM   #125
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I remember Russell [T Davies] told me that he had a big old plan as to why there were two Peter Capaldi’s in the Who universe: one in Pompeii and one in Torchwood.
Wouldn't that just be the time/space duplicity thing that explains why Gwen Cooper so similar to Gwyneth from The Unquiet Dead?
Was the connection between Gwen and Gwyneth ever explained on screen? Or was that something that the viewers knew because RTD had talked about it from time to time?

RTD may have had an explanation in mind for why Frobisher and Caecilius looked alike, but there was never a way of using that explanation within Children of Earth because 1) it wasn't relevant to the story and 2) it wouldn't have moved the story forward.

This sounds like Moffat wants to do something with the idea that these characters are connected. I can't think of anything more inward looking than explaining why the Doctor looks like a one-shot guest star from five years ago and a star of a spin-off series from four years ago.
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Old September 28 2013, 03:28 PM   #126
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Re: Moffat Talks 13th, sorry, 12th Doctor

Ugh. Not only that, but it comes from a Davies timey-wimey conspiracy. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to tie-in why The First Doctor and the Abbot of Amboise from The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve, The Second Doctor and Salamander from The Enemy of the World, and The Sixth Doctor and Maxil all look the same.

Sometimes it's just best to leave such things alone.
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Old September 28 2013, 04:58 PM   #127
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I remember Russell [T Davies] told me that he had a big old plan as to why there were two Peter Capaldi’s in the Who universe: one in Pompeii and one in Torchwood.
Wouldn't that just be the time/space duplicity thing that explains why Gwen Cooper so similar to Gwyneth from The Unquiet Dead?
Was the connection between Gwen and Gwyneth ever explained on screen? Or was that something that the viewers knew because RTD had talked about it from time to time?

RTD may have had an explanation in mind for why Frobisher and Caecilius looked alike, but there was never a way of using that explanation within Children of Earth because 1) it wasn't relevant to the story and 2) it wouldn't have moved the story forward.

This sounds like Moffat wants to do something with the idea that these characters are connected. I can't think of anything more inward looking than explaining why the Doctor looks like a one-shot guest star from five years ago and a star of a spin-off series from four years ago.
Well Ten and Rose definitely comment on the fact that Gwen looks like Gwyneth, so this is another one of those things where it was ok for RTD to do it but not Moffat (That said I think it's a bad idea, and it was a bad idea before)
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Old September 28 2013, 05:03 PM   #128
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Well Ten and Rose definitely comment on the fact that Gwen looks like Gwyneth, so this is another one of those things where it was ok for RTD to do it but not Moffat
You're assuming people didn't roll their eyes at that moment?

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Old September 28 2013, 05:19 PM   #129
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It made my eyes roll

I'm perfectly happy to accept that sometimes the Doctor's brain remembers people he sees on this travels and subconsciously incorporates elements into a new regeneration. That makes enough sense, it doesn't need further explanation.
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Old September 28 2013, 05:21 PM   #130
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I'm perfectly happy to accept that sometimes the Doctor's brain remembers people he sees on this travels and subconsciously incorporates elements into a new regeneration. That makes enough sense, it doesn't need further explanation.
We already know that when Romana regenerated, she consciously chose to model her appearance on Princess Astra (Lalla Ward) from the previous adventure.
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Old September 28 2013, 05:50 PM   #131
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Ugh, not all of the mysteries of the Doctor have to be unraveled. Hopefully there's as much focus on "who the Doctor is" as there is on "who is the Doctor".
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Old September 28 2013, 05:58 PM   #132
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It made my eyes roll

I'm perfectly happy to accept that sometimes the Doctor's brain remembers people he sees on this travels and subconsciously incorporates elements into a new regeneration. That makes enough sense, it doesn't need further explanation.
It really doesn't need any explanation at all, but the above would fit in nicely. Or, the TARDIS builds up a library of local humanoids when it's scanning the surrounding area for objects to completely ignore when deciding what to turn into.
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Old September 28 2013, 06:36 PM   #133
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It made my eyes roll

I'm perfectly happy to accept that sometimes the Doctor's brain remembers people he sees on this travels and subconsciously incorporates elements into a new regeneration. That makes enough sense, it doesn't need further explanation.
I agree with this. And for this idea to warrant an ongoing plot thread, it had better be really, really good!

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Old September 28 2013, 06:51 PM   #134
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I have a suspicion that it might involve Trenzalore and/or some Quantum Leap-style shenanigans. Brrr.
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Ugh. Not only that, but it comes from a Davies timey-wimey conspiracy. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to tie-in why The First Doctor and the Abbot of Amboise from The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve, The Second Doctor and Salamander from The Enemy of the World, and The Sixth Doctor and Maxil all look the same.

Sometimes it's just best to leave such things alone.
agreed.
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