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Old August 23 2013, 04:18 PM   #61
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Re: Moffat Talks 13th, sorry, 12th Doctor

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Huh? Smith is in the Christmas episode, I thought he was just going to regenerate into Capaldi at the end? The regen isn't in the 50th.
I know that that's been said. I'm agnostic on the point, however. Smith in the Christmas special is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:37 PM   #62
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Huh? Smith is in the Christmas episode, I thought he was just going to regenerate into Capaldi at the end? The regen isn't in the 50th.
I know that that's been said. I'm agnostic on the point, however. Smith in the Christmas special is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
It sounds like a pretty ordinary claim to me.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:39 PM   #63
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I know that that's been said. I'm agnostic on the point, however. Smith in the Christmas special is an extraordinary claim
What? I thought it was confirmed?
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Old August 23 2013, 05:46 PM   #64
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We've been told many times that the regeneration will be in the Christmas special, not the anniversary special. It's hardly an "extraordinary claim" when all the available evidence supports it.

And I see no reason to doubt it. The focus in the anniversary special is going to be on the crossover with the Doctor's past, the return of Tennant and Billie Piper and the Daleks and the Zygons and all the Time War stuff with John Hurt. Throwing a regeneration in as well would reduce it to kind of an afterthought. But it's pretty clear they're making the regeneration a big deal, so it stands to reason that they'd do it in a separate special.
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Old August 23 2013, 06:02 PM   #65
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I'd like the 50th to lead into the story where Smith regenerates. you know, a bit like the keeper of traken/logopolis/castravalva did. Maybe have Hurt as the villain for the Xmas special too.

Or just have the Xmas special lead into the first one or two episodes of Capaldi's run.

Really though, seeing the Daleks 50th is two days after Christmas, I'd actually like them to be the villains for Smiths finale. Plus they've only actually been used for one regeneration, so it's not like they're too overused like the Master. I also don't want the doctor sacrificing his life for one person like Tennant, Eccleston, and Davison did. It's beginning to get a little tiring now.
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Old August 23 2013, 06:23 PM   #66
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We've been told many times that the regeneration will be in the Christmas special, not the anniversary special. It's hardly an "extraordinary claim" when all the available evidence supports it.
For one thing, the smiley seems to have gone right over your head.

For another thing, Moffat has serious issues with the truth. I don't take anything he says at face value any longer.

There's nothing wrong with being agnostic when you have an unreliable source in Steven Moffat.

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Really though, seeing the Daleks 50th is two days after Christmas, I'd actually like them to be the villains for Smiths finale.
We discussed this on a panel at Shore Leave earlier this month, how to use the Daleks in a Christmas special.

Given Moffat's propensity to riff on some other work for Christmas, we decided that the way to go would to be take Rankin-Bass' Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town and put the Doctor in the role of Kris and the Daleks in the role of Burgomeister Meisterburger. The Daleks have taken over Somberplanet and enslaved the human population, outlawing happiness, so the Doctor decides to bring Somberplanet's children toys and teach the Daleks the true meaning of Christmas.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:01 PM   #67
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What might have confused people is that Capaldi has hinted at being in the 50th - which isn't that much of a stretch given that The Name Of The Doctor already mentioned that the timestream/Doctor's mind thing includes all the future Doctors as well as past ones. I'd guess we might see a foreshadowing of Capaldi in there when Hurt is inevitably dumped back in.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:04 PM   #68
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Because I am big fan of "full circle" storytelling, I would love it it Smith's regeneration scene involved him laying on a table, dying, turning to Clara and saying, "Run, you clever girl, and remember me." REGENERATION EXPLOSION!!!!
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Old August 23 2013, 08:10 PM   #69
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That I like. It was the norm with the Doctors in the original series -- each one was pretty much the complete opposite of his predecessor -- but the past three have been more subtle gradations, and I'm glad we'll finally be getting a major change.
A Doctor who would Not get along with his immediate prior self, should Matt Smith return one of these days.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:17 PM   #70
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Huh? Smith is in the Christmas episode, I thought he was just going to regenerate into Capaldi at the end? The regen isn't in the 50th.
I know that that's been said. I'm agnostic on the point, however. Smith in the Christmas special is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Uh, that's not extraordinary at all. And, they have no reason to get our hopes up that Smith will be in the Christmas special, and then not do that. Lots of pissed off people if that happens.

No, an extraordinary claim would be that Smith appears in the story *afterr* the Christmas special.

Smith will be in the Christmas special.

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Old August 23 2013, 08:24 PM   #71
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Uh, that's not extraordinary at all. And, they have no reason to get our hopes up that Smith will be in the Christmas special, and then not do that. Lots of pissed off people if that happens.
Like I said, we have an unreliable source in Steven Moffat. Only when there are set pictures showing Smith filming the Christmas special will I believe Moffat. Until then, I am entirely agnostic as to whether or not Smith will be in the Christmas special.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:25 PM   #72
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Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention, but what exactly has Moffat lied about before?
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Yeah nothing is gained from saying he'll be in it then not having him show up, unless it's Moffat's plan to show a surprise regeneration, but by the time the 50th airs surely they'll have already been filming (if not completed) the Christmas special, so it's highly unlikely they could keep it a secret that Capaldi had done a substantial amount of filming.

I really hope Smith does get the send off he deserves, he deserves to be the star of his last episode (at least until the final few minutes) even though it would be interesting if perhaps the regen was 2/3 or 3/4 of the way in and the newly regenerated, and somewhat below par, 12th doctor had to resolve the situation.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:27 PM   #74
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Uh, that's not extraordinary at all. And, they have no reason to get our hopes up that Smith will be in the Christmas special, and then not do that. Lots of pissed off people if that happens.
Like I said, we have an unreliable source in Steven Moffat. Only when there are set pictures showing Smith filming the Christmas special will I believe Moffat. Until then, I am entirely agnostic as to whether or not Smith will be in the Christmas special.
It's not just Moffat though - BBC Publicity is making a Xmas regeneration a big selling point, which means it'll be a big part of the marketing, which means if it's untrue people will get fired.
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Yeah nothing is gained from saying he'll be in it then not having him show up, unless it's Moffat's plan to show a surprise regeneration, but by the time the 50th airs surely they'll have already been filming (if not completed) the Christmas special, so it's highly unlikely they could keep it a secret that Capaldi had done a substantial amount of filming.

I really hope Smith does get the send off he deserves, he deserves to be the star of his last episode (at least until the final few minutes) even though it would be interesting if perhaps the regen was 2/3 or 3/4 of the way in and the newly regenerated, and somewhat below par, 12th doctor had to resolve the situation.
Yea, that'd be cool. It could also get us away from the usual "First episode of the New Doctor gives us an uncooked Doctor that's completely different from who he actually will be, and it's also often Doctor-Lite"
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