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Old August 19 2013, 04:09 PM   #16
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[QUOTE=Brit;8525695][QUOTE=Bad thoughts;8525647]
Picard might have been willing but he didn't have to. So yes she was the only one that actually did, and she did it twice. "Deadlock" and "Year of Hell"
Wait ... Picard stopped the countdown? Or did he abandon the ship? What did he do to lose his "balls" (which Janeway apparently had)?

ETA: In both the episodes you cite, Janeway realizes that conditions would allow her to reset, more or less, the events that have unfolded. Not exactly courageous.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:27 PM   #17
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I always thought that VOY had the best opening of any Trek, both in music and visuals.
This! Absolutely breathtaking. I also liked the idea of the show itself. I will keep it positive and leave it there. Plus, I still can't make a totally fair judgment since I'm still crawling through my first ever re-watch, and my first ever watch without skipping episodes. Also, full disclosure: I'm a Niner, but I've only been a Niner for less than a year. Perhaps I'm the worst kind!
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Old August 19 2013, 04:28 PM   #18
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Bad thoughts wrote:
Not exactly courageous.
But she doesn't know for certain whether ramming the Krenim timeship will work, it's just a theory. And even if it does work, that particular Janeway's going to be killed anyway and miss out on the benefits of a reset.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:32 PM   #19
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I always thought that VOY had the best opening of any Trek, both in music and visuals.
Agreed.

In addition, you had the EMH and Seven of Nine. Both great characters who spiced up any episode they were in.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:35 PM   #20
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Not exactly courageous.
But she doesn't know for certain whether ramming the Krenim timeship will work, it's just a theory. And even if it does work, that particular Janeway's going to be killed anyway and miss out on the benefits of a reset.
True. However, it affects how risky her decisions really are, particularly given the fact that in the ST universe, resets almost always work.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:02 PM   #21
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Unlike TNG and DS9, Voyager was fun. It had some of that adventurous spirit which made TOS great. Kirk and Janeway beamed down into peril and/or took on monsters from outer space. Picard took on conferences and staff meetings. Sisko had all that magical Bajoran religious tedium to wade through.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:04 PM   #22
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Wait ... Picard stopped the countdown? Or did he abandon the ship? What did he do to lose his "balls" (which Janeway apparently had)?

ETA: In both the episodes you cite, Janeway realizes that conditions would allow her to reset, more or less, the events that have unfolded. Not exactly courageous.
Not entirely correct. In Deadlock, she blows up her copy of the ship knowing there is another copy of the ship. But the version of Janeway that blew up blew up for good, she wasn't reset, she was just gone.

And in Year of Hell she suspected that it would reset, she wasn't completely sure.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:08 PM   #23
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Best thing about Voyager?

Seven of Nine.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:43 PM   #24
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Not entirely correct. In Deadlock, she blows up her copy of the ship knowing there is another copy of the ship. But the version of Janeway that blew up blew up for good, she wasn't reset, she was just gone.

And in Year of Hell she suspected that it would reset, she wasn't completely sure.
Perhaps I equivocated too much, but I did write "more or less."
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Old August 19 2013, 06:02 PM   #25
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I thought Voyager had some of the best mindf*ck episodes in the franchise, thanks to Joe Menosky and Brannon Braga. Episodes where you're completely baffled, the weirdness never entirely explained, but manage to be sufficiently oddball enough to make you ponder the possibilities. And Seven of Nine. The character works for me, and not just because she's attractive. She provided the shipboard conflict that Janeway needed, which should have been what Chakotay was doing all along.
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Old August 19 2013, 06:14 PM   #26
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Wait ... Picard stopped the countdown? Or did he abandon the ship? What did he do to lose his "balls" (which Janeway apparently had)?
ETA: In both the episodes you cite, Janeway realizes that conditions would allow her to reset, more or less, the events that have unfolded. Not exactly courageous.
I said Picard was willing to blow up his ship, Data was the one who stopped the self destruct. I think the best point is that Janeway did do it twice, even though there "MIGHT" (not assured) be a reset. For all we know, all Starfleet Captains are issued balls, I once had a boss that had a pair of silver ones in a damask box on his desk.
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Old August 19 2013, 06:23 PM   #27
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One of my favorite parts from Voyager....

Tuvok I understand
You are a Vulcan man
You have just gone without
For seven years, about

Paris please find a way
To load a hypospray
I will give you the sign
Just aim for his behind


ther's also quite a colorful behind the scenes story I heard about this scene at a convention once
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Old August 19 2013, 06:34 PM   #28
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Other Captains have threatened to blow up their ship.

She's the only one with the balls to do it.
I must misremember Search for Spock and First Contact.
Well lets see, Janeway did blow up her ship while she was still on it. Kirk blew up his ship but he wasn't on it, and Picard might have been willing but he didn't have to. So yes she was the only one that actually did, and she did it twice. "Deadlock" and "Year of Hell"
You misremembered my post, Bad Thoughts. As Brit indicated, I had amended the comment to say "while she was on it."

And I don't remember ever saying the other Captains didn't HAVE the balls to do it, just that they never had to do/prove it.

We claim we'll do a lot of things, but in the last moment before everything goes "boom"... is there a glimmer of doubt, of regret?

That's why I say there was no doubt when it comes to Janeway's resolve.

Not only "would" she do it, like the other men most probably would... she DID do it.
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Old August 19 2013, 08:19 PM   #29
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I liked Voyager's Megaman level adaption. 'You show us how to use Borg tech, we got Borg tech. You let us scan your slip-stream drive, we got slip-stream drive'. Each show did this but Voyager did it on the level I would expect with their technology. That's why I didn't Like "Endgame", with all the technology they came across, I think they could have done an 'All or nothing' upgrade without future Janeway's help.
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Old August 19 2013, 09:02 PM   #30
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The thing i liked the most is also the thing that disappointed me the most.....and that's the idea of a "travelling community" .....it was played with occasionally but ultimately abandoned to make way for standard Trek story telling....but it still makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside whenever i start to rewatch Voyager and think about the possibility of this small community travelling for decades together, having families, bickering, being isolated, being away from Starfleet etc

Wish there could have been more of that...i've gone negative, haven't i....i'll leave
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