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Old August 20 2013, 10:28 AM   #31
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Re: Most Upsetting Bond Movie Deaths (SPOILERS)

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Also, the Oddjob knockoff from Austin Powers apparently became a raping, murdering psycho. Try laughing at his scenes now...
Well OJ Simpson is another sociopath, but I feel I can still sit through Capricorn One and Naked Gun trilogy.
I saw the Naked Gun trilogy again recently, and at first was worried about I'd react to him, but then I remembered that I was still watching an innocent man insofar as he hadn't committed the crime yet when they were filmed.

Different matter watching something made after the case.
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Old August 20 2013, 10:38 PM   #32
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I always felt bad for Rosie in LIVE AND LET DIE. Roger Moore in a sense sent her to her death.
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Old August 21 2013, 09:10 AM   #33
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...But only after he shagged her...

Rosie was working for the enemy. She might not have been doing it willingly, but she was leading 007 to his death, it was only the fact that her fear of Samedi was greater than her fear of Bond that made her blunder into the trap that had been set for 007.

Bond's comment when Severine was killed was harsh, however in context Bond was clearly trying to throw Silva off guard before he made his move. And lest we forget however much Bond was using her, she was using him right back.
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Old August 21 2013, 05:12 PM   #34
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I think her death might have already been mentioned, but one of my favorite lines from Casino Royale is when Bond is with Dimitrios' wife, and orders room service: "Can I get a bottle
of chilled Bollinger Grande Annee. And the Beluga caviar. Yes, with everything. What? No, for one."
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Old August 21 2013, 08:47 PM   #35
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...But only after he shagged her...

Rosie was working for the enemy. She might not have been doing it willingly, but she was leading 007 to his death, it was only the fact that her fear of Samedi was greater than her fear of Bond that made her blunder into the trap that had been set for 007.
I think Bond was more irresponsible with Solange, Jill Materson, and Corinne Dufour.

As disappointing and moderately unexpected as Judi's M dying was, I wasn't as emotionally hurt by it as many other much younger female characters and male side kicks dying (which is sadder on principle).

Elektra King being shot by Brosnan's Bond was pretty 'what 'da fuck?!', but I wasn't really that emotionally invested in her, especially when she's a villain and when other villains seem more tragic: Xenia Onatopp (an attractive and intelligent young woman who had lost against her severe mental dysfunctions), Eliot Carver (a very lonely, terminally unsatisfied guy at the top of the corporate ladder who cannot develop meaningful relationships), Silva (suffered unimagined torment in PRC custody), Le Chifre (pushed into a corner by powerful crime syndicates), and Alec Trevelyan (haunted by a historical massacre and family annihilation).
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Old August 21 2013, 09:01 PM   #36
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Elektra King being shot by Brosnan's Bond was pretty 'what 'da fuck?!', but I wasn't really that emotionally invested in her, especially when she's a villain and when other villains seem more tragic:
Miranda Frost felt that way for me. It was more of a feeling of "well, if you don't want to die, then you shouldn't have become a villain!"
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Old August 21 2013, 10:04 PM   #37
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...But only after he shagged her...

Rosie was working for the enemy. She might not have been doing it willingly, but she was leading 007 to his death, it was only the fact that her fear of Samedi was greater than her fear of Bond that made her blunder into the trap that had been set for 007.
I think Bond was more irresponsible with Solange, Jill Materson, and Corinne Dufour.

As disappointing and moderately unexpected as Judi's M dying was, I wasn't as emotionally hurt by it as many other much younger female characters and male side kicks dying (which is sadder on principle).

Elektra King being shot by Brosnan's Bond was pretty 'what 'da fuck?!', but I wasn't really that emotionally invested in her, especially when she's a villain and when other villains seem more tragic: Xenia Onatopp (an attractive and intelligent young woman who had lost against her severe mental dysfunctions), Eliot Carver (a very lonely, terminally unsatisfied guy at the top of the corporate ladder who cannot develop meaningful relationships), Silva (suffered unimagined torment in PRC custody), Le Chifre (pushed into a corner by powerful crime syndicates), and Alec Trevelyan (haunted by a historical massacre and family annihilation).
I don't know if I've ever heard Xenia referred to as tragic before. I mean I love her to bits, but she's a bad, bad girl...Silva suffered at the hands of the PRC but his own arrogance and crossing of the line forced M to have to give him up, and Le Chiffre was only in a corner because he was speculating with his clients money! Carver...well Carver was just a dick.

I'll give you 006 though, although I thought it a bit odd that he turned his hatred towards England rather than Russia.

TWINE is one of my least favourite Bond films but Elektra is quite a three dimensional villain and Brosnan killing her was a good scene.
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Old August 21 2013, 10:10 PM   #38
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Since when is Xenia Onatopp tragic? She was a cold-hearted bitch who literally got off on killing people. Elliot Carver was pretty much the same, really, just by different means.

Silva? I'll give you that. He could be construed as tragic. So could Alec Trevelyan. But not Xenia or Carver.
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Old August 22 2013, 09:51 PM   #39
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I'll give you 006 though, although I thought it a bit odd that he turned his hatred towards England rather than Russia.
I see where you're coming from but Trevelyan (he may have been more hurt by being lied to by his adopted country), yet his crime syndicate seemed to have been powerful enough to seriously screw over Russia in due time: after the GoldenEye caper, Janus could spread its malignant influence even broader and deeper in the former Eastern Bloc and Soviet states, exacerbate the relative anarchy of 1990s Russia, preventing a lesser evil like Putin taking over, and plunge the former-Soviet states into full blown civil war. And Trevelyan's Janus network would be in a prime position to supply the warring factions with weapons and mercenaries, bloating its wealth and power even more (with the West unable to respond, still reeling from Britain re-entering the Stone Age).

TWINE is one of my least favourite Bond films but Elektra is quite a three dimensional villain and Brosnan killing her was a good scene.
I dunno, I just can't put my finger on it. Onatopp and Carver are perhaps more cartoonish in comparison and richly deserved their vaguely ridiculous violent deaths, but I found them more interesting and memorable. And as dynamite as Richard Carlyle is in Once Upon a Time I found him pretty "meh" in TWINE, despite some brave attempts to flesh him out (like him slowly losing his touch sensations and not able to physically enjoy Elektra).
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Old August 22 2013, 10:17 PM   #40
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Oh I agree about Carlyle, I think he's terrible in TWINE. I'd have expected better from him.
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Old August 23 2013, 12:56 AM   #41
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Oh I agree about Carlyle, I think he's terrible in TWINE. I'd have expected better from him.
I wouldn't say he was incompetent, he seemed a bit disinterested, with the directing and writing not really there (plus many scenes were cut). Also (IMO) the villainous love interesting in partnership with a male villain (who at first seems to be the sole mastermind) was pulled off better in TDKR.

And a bit "blah" as Carlyle was in TWINE he was even more uninspired as that dark wizard in Eragon - I'd like to see that pathetic character run into Carlyle's Rumpelstiltskin...
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Old September 11 2013, 01:51 PM   #42
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For me the death of Jill Masterson is still the most upsetting. Covered in gold and allowed to suffocate, creepy and unsettling.
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Old September 12 2013, 09:31 AM   #43
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Carver...well Carver was just a dick.
Problem I've alway had with Carver's death is that the way it was shown on screen, the timing of it, it seems like he had the time to basically just casually step to the side and avoid the drill.

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Yeah I know what you mean. I don't think he had many options but he did just seem to sit there and take it...reminds me somewhat at the henchman and the steamroller in Austin Powers!
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Carver...well Carver was just a dick.
Problem I've alway had with Carver's death is that the way it was shown on screen, the timing of it, it seems like he had the time to basically just casually step to the side and avoid the drill.

Similar to the MAN OF STEEL ending, with the family basically just waiting to be fatally heat-visioned by Zod. Not to mention all the pre-teen children in thrillers waiting for an adult lead actor to grab them away from zooming cars.
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