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Old August 18 2013, 09:30 PM   #16
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Re: Most Upsetting Bond Movie Deaths (SPOILERS)

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Tracy's death all the way, I don't think anything comes close,
What makes Tracy's death and also the death of the unsung Aki stick out as incredibly sad is because both were killed entirely because of botched attempts on Bond's life. He got severely punished by attempting to foster long term relationships and is very dangerous to be around, why do some people day dream about being him?

Tracy's death was very frustrating because she was mercilessly cut down right at the finish line before the credits roll (after all she's been through) and Aki's death leaves a bitter aftertaste when, after the tense and tragic interlude, YOLT whiplashes back into being cartoonish again.

the only thing that does is oddly not a death, as Lonemagpie already said, Q's last scene was real lump in the throat stuff.
TWINE was somehow a very "meh" Bond movie and John Cleese sucked since 1994, but yeah, that scene was touching.
The trouble with Aki's death is that Connery's cut up about it for all of 2 seconds.

It occurs to me that half the impact comes down to Bond's reaction, hence why I'm eternally grateful we had Lazenby in OHMSS not Connery because, for all Lazenby's many flaws, he plays that last scene magnificently, and better than I think Connery ever could.

Brosnan makes Paris' death with his reaction, and for all people say he's a lousy actor, Rog manages to show the pain of loss over Tracy not just once, but twice. Watch his face when Anya mentioned him being married, and again when he visits her grave.

Dalton shows pain over Tracy too, and not forgetting the boiling rage in his eyes over Stella, Felix and sharky, even his rage over Saunders' death.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:28 PM   #17
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The trouble with Aki's death is that Connery's cut up about it for all of 2 seconds.

It occurs to me that half the impact comes down to Bond's reaction, hence why I'm eternally grateful we had Lazenby in OHMSS not Connery because, for all Lazenby's many flaws, he plays that last scene magnificently, and better than I think Connery ever could.

Brosnan makes Paris' death with his reaction, and for all people say he's a lousy actor, Rog manages to show the pain of loss over Tracy not just once, but twice. Watch his face when Anya mentioned him being married, and again when he visits her grave.

Dalton shows pain over Tracy too, and not forgetting the boiling rage in his eyes over Stella, Felix and sharky, even his rage over Saunders' death.
All of this serves to illustrate why Connery was not the best Bond. He's certainly the most famous, and he's the one who made the role and is most closely identified with it, but as far as his actual portrayal, it leaves much to be desired. Lazenby made OHMSS wholly enjoyable, and brought a fresh perspective to the character.

(Roger Moore is still the worst Bond, though.)
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Old August 19 2013, 01:02 AM   #18
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I don't know if this one counts as an upsetting death, but in Never Say Never Again, doesn't bumbling boob Nigel Small-Fawcett (Rowan Atkinson) get killed?
I wish. No, he's even around for the tag, and is the guy Bond says "never again' too even.

edit addon: the french agent, Nicole, is NSNA's sacrificial lamb.

I think all of the movies except SPY WHO have got at least one sacrificial lamb. (well, maybe TWINE and DAD haven't got one either, but I almost never watch those and can't remember.)

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Old August 19 2013, 01:09 AM   #19
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The trouble with Aki's death is that Connery's cut up about it for all of 2 seconds.

It occurs to me that half the impact comes down to Bond's reaction, hence why I'm eternally grateful we had Lazenby in OHMSS not Connery because, for all Lazenby's many flaws, he plays that last scene magnificently, and better than I think Connery ever could.

Brosnan makes Paris' death with his reaction, and for all people say he's a lousy actor, Rog manages to show the pain of loss over Tracy not just once, but twice. Watch his face when Anya mentioned him being married, and again when he visits her grave.

Dalton shows pain over Tracy too, and not forgetting the boiling rage in his eyes over Stella, Felix and sharky, even his rage over Saunders' death.
All of this serves to illustrate why Connery was not the best Bond. He's certainly the most famous, and he's the one who made the role and is most closely identified with it, but as far as his actual portrayal, it leaves much to be desired. Lazenby made OHMSS wholly enjoyable, and brought a fresh perspective to the character.

(Roger Moore is still the worst Bond, though.)
I don't think Connery's portrayal in general leaves much of ANYTHING to be desired. He conveys plenty of emotional distress over Kerim's death, and over Jill's too. He's just bored silly by YOLT and it obviously shows (though it is interesting that YOLT's director considers the emotion Connery shows in Aki's death to be significant ... then again, the guy who directed YOLT, SPY and MR is for my money the lousiest repeat director in Bond history.)

Connery absolutely has the magic, and while Dalton captures more of the Bond in the later books (and, paradoxically, CR Bond, where I really wish he'd had the chance to do the 'nature of evil' scene) and remains my favorite for the layers he peels back, Connery is easily the best. If you count TAILOR OF PANAMA as a Bond performance, it shows Brosnan could have brought the goods with the right director and material.

Moore is a joke, Bond gay's uncle, Lazenby isn't even playing Bond (taken on its own, OHMSS is very good, but he just ain't even close to playing Bond) and this THING we've had for the last three films does a grave disservice to Fleming and Peter Hunt and Terence Young and just about everything I've ever liked about print or film Bond. SKYFALL killed off 48 years of filmgoing Bond for me, even with the great Deakins office in china scene (which itself was ruined by music when it should have been only sound effects.)
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Old August 19 2013, 01:30 AM   #20
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. . .doesn't bumbling boob Nigel Small-Fawcett (Rowan Atkinson) get killed?
No, he lived to ask Bond back and fall clumsily into the pool in the films final scene. . .
Thanks, I must be confusing his fate with Patrick MacNee's character in A View to a Kill. Haven't seen either in over 20 years. Or maybe I disliked the Small-Fawcett character so much, I wished him dead.

Edit: A tip of the hat to trevanian too, for the reply.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:35 AM   #21
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I think all of the movies except SPY WHO have got at least one sacrificial lamb. (well, maybe TWINE and DAD haven't got one either, but I almost never watch those and can't remember.)
Zukovsky dies in World Is Not Enough, but not before saving Bond. The elder King dies at the beginning, but technically he's M's friend not Bond's.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:48 AM   #22
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Damn, I was so pissed that they threw Zukovsky away I must have blanked on that.

King sr. is more of a plot point than a character ... kind of like Felucca (I think that's her name, she gets shot right before Bond takes his tie back from the bald-headed wrestler guy) in SPY, who is probably as close to a sacrificial lamb as you can get there.
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Old August 19 2013, 03:15 AM   #23
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this THING we've had for the last three films does a grave disservice to Fleming and Peter Hunt and Terence Young and just about everything I've ever liked about print or film Bond. SKYFALL killed off 48 years of filmgoing Bond for me, even with the great Deakins office in china scene (which itself was ruined by music when it should have been only sound effects.)
I like Craig as Bond. His portrayal in Casino Royale is spot-on compared to the novel, right down to his cold dispassionate attitude. Like or not, that's who Bond of the novels was. I don't like the earlier films over-reliance on gadgetry, and thought there was something rather pleasant about Q handing 007 nothing more than a gun and a radio. The Bond of the novels gets beat up quite frequently, and occasionally loses a fight, but through some stroke of luck makes it out alive, usually through the assistance of the Bond girl.
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Old August 19 2013, 04:23 AM   #24
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I liked Woody Allen as Jimmy Bond.
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Old August 19 2013, 09:12 AM   #25
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Tracy, of course. Who else is there, really, compared to her?
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Old August 19 2013, 11:11 AM   #26
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The trouble with Aki's death is that Connery's cut up about it for all of 2 seconds.
Sean Connery showed signs of being on autopilot in YOLT, but Lewis Gilbert is right in saying that Sean Connery was at his best in Aki's death scene, showing deep concern and sorrow when seeing Aki slowly die from asphyxiation (and you don't see the rest of his grief when he walks slowly to a window, facing away). The being "cut up about it for all of 2 seconds" is what I mean by the whiplash effect following Aki's death when we move on to more slightly silly Ninja training stuff.

And loads of people were genuinely saddened or pissed off by Daniel Craig's pithy remark and stoney face when Severine was shot in the head.

And as deeply unpleasant as Tracy and Severine being shot in the head were, at least their deaths weren't as painfully protracted looking as Vesper Lynd's drowning and Aki's dry drowning.
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Old August 19 2013, 11:17 AM   #27
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Tracy's, Mathis' and M's death.
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Old August 19 2013, 03:06 PM   #28
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I'm hardly ever disturbed by fictional deaths, especially those not based on fact. (I was totally on the edge of my seat when HBO's John Adams made a big deal out of Adams' three children being vaccinated for smallpox, figuring that with that kind of dramatic emphasis, at least one of em'd bite it. Happily, no.) I managed to see The Bourne Supremacy in theaters with no idea that Marie would bite it in the first act, though, and that was a bit of a bummer.

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(see also Kerim Bey, knowing that the actor shot himself after filming.)
Yeah, I find that sort of RL stuff much more unsettling. Like the scenes of depressed Owen Wilson in Wedding Crashers - some of it is played for laughs, but it's not so funny knowing he actually tried offing himself at one point.

Also, the Oddjob knockoff from Austin Powers apparently became a raping, murdering psycho. Try laughing at his scenes now...
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Old August 19 2013, 11:10 PM   #29
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Also, the Oddjob knockoff from Austin Powers apparently became a raping, murdering psycho. Try laughing at his scenes now...
Well OJ Simpson is another sociopath, but I feel I can still sit through Capricorn One and Naked Gun trilogy.

Another Bond actress who recently had a very unfortunate end at a comparatively young age is Angela Scoular, who played one of Blofeld's women at his mountain base in OHMSS. In her last years she was fighting a losing battle against clinical depression and terminal cancer so drunk sulphuric acid solution. She was only 65.
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Not just one of Blofeld's women, she was Ruby Bartlett. That was such a shame, hell of a way to kill yourself
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