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Old August 15 2013, 07:23 PM   #1
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TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

First off, Mack is one of my favorite writers, so i guess I raised the bar for books that are cranked out by him.

Almost finished with Silent Weapons...I got two nitpicks...

1) I can't believe Tyressa Chen is in the book and at one time she was commanding the Enterprise. She grated my nerves when she was first introduced. Yeah, I get it that she half vulcan, half human and embaraces her human side. I know HUNDREDS of people who are 100% human and ain't that annoying. Yeah, I know she had some unique knowledge when she was introduced. Then when she had nothing to do as a contact specialist, she was a sorta Picard's aide/adjudant in the Typhon Pact book that dealt mainly with Andor.

Now, when Picard and most of the senior officers are on the planet surface, she's running the show on the bridge. WTF?!?!!?!? Did Picard run out of Lt Cmdrs and Cmdrs? And yeah, it one thing if the ship is on shore leave, but it was a tense situation.

I suppose Mack had to figger out how to incorporate her into the book....UGGGH....first contact specialist then Picard's aide, then in charge of the ship as an LT. PUL-LEEZE......and she's annoying as hell to boot!!!!

2. Second gripe, Bateson is in the book and it mentions that the crew is a skeleton crew...UGGHHH...The UFP Prez is on the surface....hey, if you want to make it appear that nothing is going on, then send non-essential personell to the planet, ie. perhaps the CONTACT SPECIALIST!!!!! not the head of security.

3. Lastly, I would think the security detail for the UFP Prez would be more high speed....it seems that they were made to look like idiots when compared to Worf & company.

Like I said, I expect more from Mack, cuz his stuff kick's @$$, but I guess everyone occasionally has a lapse in judgement. By the way, did I mention I can't stand Tyressa Chen....at least she ain't as annoying as she was in previous books.
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Old August 15 2013, 08:38 PM   #2
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

I have to disagree with you. Chen being in command on the bridge was my favorite part of the book. And it's not like there haven't been lower ranked officers in command. Harry Kim had the bridge on the night shift so it's no so hard to see Chen there in charge. Reading the scene in question you actually feel what she feels in her conflict with the Atlas. It makes you wonder what you would do in her place.

I love that character. She's my favorite of the new additions post Nemesis. She's reminds me of early Tom Paris, the one who always pushed his luck the most with Janeway and Chakotay.

I think Mack did great with this story.
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Old August 15 2013, 09:34 PM   #3
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

Halliwell,

I get your Harry Kim example, but the difference, Kim is working the NIGHT SHIFT whereas Chen was in command of the ship when it was orbiting Orion --- the motherland of doing shady things -- and that the main crew and UFP Prez was on the planet to boot.

When working the night shift when nothing expected was to happen is one thing to have a junior guy working the bridge (Yeah, I suppose all hell could break loose), but my point is I'd want at least one member of the varsity squad commanding the Enterprise when the rest of the team is on the planet surface and not just leave it to the JV team.

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Old August 15 2013, 09:49 PM   #4
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

What I didn't understand was why the Atlas was taking orders from Chen.
They on the Atlas knew the Captain and first officer, so if I would get such an order I would check it.
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Old August 15 2013, 09:51 PM   #5
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

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Halliwell,

I get your Harry Kim example, but the difference, Kim is working the NIGHT SHIFT whereas Chen was in command of the ship when it was orbiting Orion --- the motherland of doing shady things -- and that the main crew and UFP Prez was on the planet to boot.

When working the night shift when nothing expected was to happen (Yeah, I suppose all hell could break loose), but my point is I'd want at least one member of the varsity squad commanding the Enterprise when the rest of the team is on the planet surface and not just leave it to the JV team.
Picard has left the Enterprise in the hands of the Chief Medical Officer during an incident with the Borg. So nothing surprises me as far as his command decisions go.
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Old August 15 2013, 10:06 PM   #6
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BillJ,

I think that time they needed almost every available body for the search teams (but I may misspoke), but didn't Bev already have some command experience and kinda jonesin' to be in command + she prolly holds the rank of Cmdr or at least Lt Cmdr and has experience running sickbay and leading triages during mass casautlites...my point being WTF is Chen doing on the bridge let alone running the show.

The assistant Engineer or the assistant OPS officer, or perhaps get someone from Night shift to cover....not the obnoxious contact specialist.

Yeah, again Picard can pick who he wants, but the CONTACT SPECIALIST ain't exactly in the command structure.
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Old August 16 2013, 08:58 PM   #7
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

Every commissioned officer is part of the command structure. When all senior officers are unavailable, usually the highest ranking officer takes command, whatever his position. But this may be more of a guideline, rather than a strict rule. We've seen Sulu in the chair with McCoy standing by.
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Old August 17 2013, 05:57 AM   #8
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

I think also it is in Picard's character to find and nurture potential. His relationship with Chen in a way reminds me of Ro Laren. He saw there was more to her than what everyone else sees. Picard might see the qualities of leadership in her and with everyone else occupied with the mission felt this would be an opportunity for her to get some experience. As a contact specialist she is trained to be prepared for unexpected situations and her outgoing personality lends towards quick thinking on her feet which are attributes essential for someone in command.
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Old August 17 2013, 02:01 PM   #9
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Markonian,

I see you point about the command structure, I just doublt that the contact specialist is actually gonna be in charge of ship once the senior guys leave the ship. And I doubt she has any command experience...unlike Harry Kim, who had some experience working the night shift....guess it was never stated that Chen had a desire for command + with her being obnoxious (errr...i mean embracing her human side) I just don't see it.

I see when Sulu in the chair and McCoy standing by, it more like Sulu the Officer of the Deck,....yeah i guess the same could be said for Chen, but with the Senior guys on the planet below with the Fed Prez, I'd leave someone more experience in charge.

And yeah, PKS8304, I could see Picard wanting to nurture Chen, but I betcha it more a plot device to give Chen some scenes....I just uber-annoyed wit her (and find it hard to believe Picard would have soft spot for her.

At any rate, I still want to toss Chen out the nearest air lock.
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Old August 17 2013, 04:24 PM   #10
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

It's been established that, in lieu of any actual contact missions, T'ryssa has been helping out other departments as needed. She's spent some time in Engineering, and I have no trouble imagining that she's also been taking some command training, probably under Picard's recommendation.

Also, I never understood why people find her annoying. She's my second favorite TrekLit-only character, right behind my boy Elias Vaughn ohgodimisshim, and she's in my top five favorite Trek characters overall.
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Old August 18 2013, 04:00 AM   #11
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

Same here, I love Tryss.
As for her taking command, I swear I remember them saying somewhere that anybody who worked on the bridge needed to be able to take command if necessary.
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Old August 18 2013, 12:45 PM   #12
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Fair enough, even tho' I think it a bit of stretch that Chen is ready for command situations (and not the night shift, either)....Guess cuz I abhor the character (I wonder if I'm alone then) since she comes off so immature.
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Old August 18 2013, 01:35 PM   #13
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

I love the character of Tryss, and her actions in Silent Weapons make perfect sense to me. She's been growing as a person ever since we first met her, and I really like her quircky (spelling??) character.

If, at the moment, she was the most senior officer on the bridge, it makes perfect sense she took command.
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Old August 18 2013, 06:21 PM   #14
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Re: TNG Cold Equations Book 2, Silent Wpns Nic-Picks -- SPOILERS

I can't really understand the hate towards Tryss. I've liked her since Christopher introduced us to her in GTtS, and i've enjoyed her character development (what little there has actually been) since then. Is it because she's the 'anti-spock' by exploring her humanity first as opposed to her Vulcan side? Maybe she's just a little annoying because she may remind someone of their little sister sometimes? She's young and has lots of growing to do.

People have mentioned Harry Kim. He could be a little hard to appreciate when he first showed up on Voyager, but by the end, he was one of the most interesting and most fleshed out of all the main characters. Tryss has only been around for 11 books (including 3 Destiny books), and she's been one of the main focus characters for only tiny bits. We need to give her more time to grow. Just look how far Ro and Harry have come
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Old August 18 2013, 06:46 PM   #15
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I just annoyed how she's introduced as the contact specialist, then she becomes Picard's aide/adjutant, then she commands the ship on a mission that is probably uber-critical to the UFP. And YES!!! She is the annoying little sister with LOTS of room to grow.
She's become a plot device just so she can get a few bit lines in the book. Yeah, even the main cast can be used as plot devices as well, but it just so friggin' obvious.
Heck, if Picard has taken a shine to her, then she's become the teacher's pet...with the rest of class despising her!
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