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Old August 15 2013, 05:39 PM   #46
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

Wow, I'm surprised The Visitor is about to get the boot. My vote this round is on By Inferno's Light.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 3
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 2
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
Sacrifice of Angels - 1
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 05:40 PM   #47
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The Visitor - getting people to cry is a big plus, but it isn't what makes Trek, Trek.
What makes Trek, Trek? If you're going by what TOS and TNG did, then maybe 10% of DS9 is "Trek".
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Old August 15 2013, 05:59 PM   #48
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

I vote for Sacrifice of Angels, because I thought Rocks and Shoals should've made the cut over it.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 3
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 2
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
Sacrifice of Angels - 2
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 06:00 PM   #49
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jimbotron wrote: View Post
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The Visitor - getting people to cry is a big plus, but it isn't what makes Trek, Trek.
What makes Trek, Trek? If you're going by what TOS and TNG did, then maybe 10% of DS9 is "Trek".
I'd agree with this. By that logic, we may as well all vote for Pale Moonlight because it's arguably the antithesis of "Trek".
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Old August 15 2013, 06:49 PM   #50
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The Visitor - getting people to cry is a big plus, but it isn't what makes Trek, Trek.
What makes Trek, Trek? If you're going by what TOS and TNG did, then maybe 10% of DS9 is "Trek".
I'd agree with this. By that logic, we may as well all vote for Pale Moonlight because it's arguably the antithesis of "Trek".
Trek is about spaceships and 'splosions. It's about "science" and technobabble. It's about aliens, and seeking out new life and new civilizations. It's about temporal hyjinx and spacial anomalies. It's about optimism for humanity's future, and how we could get there. It's about morality - the good, the bad, and what makes the difference.

Was The Visitor, the episode, Trek? Absolutely. It had all of the above. But, what is it remembered for? How it made us feel at the end. That, while really good, is not that Trekish. And when it's up against all these other episodes, that's enough to put it down.
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Old August 15 2013, 08:56 PM   #51
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

I disagree. The Visitor is an excellent episode of DS9, and deserves to be here. By your logic a worse episode that fits the Star Trek tropes better would be a better episode than this one, which resonates on an emotional level.

It is, after all, the least disliked episode of DS9, not least disliked episode of DS9 which is also the most archetypal Star Trek episode.

But obviously, YMMV.

P.S. I'm voting for Sacrifice of Angels. It's not as good as what's left, and it's not even the best episode in the Occupation Arc.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 3
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 2
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
Sacrifice of Angels - 3
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 09:35 PM   #52
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

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Was The Visitor, the episode, Trek? Absolutely. It had all of the above. But, what is it remembered for? How it made us feel at the end. That, while really good, is not that Trekish. And when it's up against all these other episodes, that's enough to put it down.
Well, by that reasoning, Star Trek II isn't Trekish. It's remembered for killing Spock and how the audience felt at the end.

The City on the Edge of Forever would also apply.
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Old August 15 2013, 10:07 PM   #53
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What's trekish about the "least" trekish of the Trek series? Is an episode about family bonds trekish or not trekish? My head is spinning.
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Old August 15 2013, 10:45 PM   #54
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Trek is about spaceships and 'splosions. It's about "science" and technobabble. It's about aliens, and seeking out new life and new civilizations. It's about temporal hyjinx and spacial anomalies. It's about optimism for humanity's future, and how we could get there. It's about morality - the good, the bad, and what makes the difference.
Then why the shit did "Emissary" get eliminated?

Sorry, still riled up about that one.

Another vote for Sacrifice of Angels, which I feel is a little bit overrated relative to its "classic" episode status.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 3
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 2
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
Sacrifice of Angels - 4
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 11:30 PM   #55
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

Score reset!

And what the hell am I supposed to vote for? I'll go for By Inferno's Light. An excellent episode really, but the ending was a tad rushed.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 0
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 1
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 11:38 PM   #56
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

Once again, "The Visitor", better episodes have been eliminated already

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 1
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 1
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 11:43 PM   #57
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By Inferno's Light. It's the weakest part of the 2-parter, which is also not quite as good as the first Garak/Tain two-parter.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 1
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 2
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 11:44 PM   #58
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Inferno. Not changing my reasoning any time soon.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 1
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 3
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 15 2013, 11:58 PM   #59
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Pale Moonlight.

Here's why: All of the other stories stand on their own. Pale Moonlight gets the benefit of a framing device. I could be wrong, but I think if the main storyline had to stand on its own as its episode it would fall short. I feel the same way about The Visitor to some extent, but at least the "frame" in that episode leads directly into the ending.


The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 1
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
By Inferno's Light - 3
In the Pale Moonlight - 1
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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Old August 16 2013, 12:57 AM   #60
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Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Final Round

Stand on their own? Four of them are two parters.

Anyways, my vote goes to eliminate By Inferno's Light. Great episode, but yeah... the ending was VERY convenient for the good guys. Scores reset.

The Die is Cast - 0
Improbable Cause - 0
The Visitor - 0
In Purgatory's Shadow - 0
In the Pale Moonlight - 0
What You Leave Behind - 0
Tacking into the Wind - 0
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