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Old August 29 2013, 11:15 PM   #301
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

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Yeah there was a lot of old school feeling to it. But I liked how they did it in the 2009 version, by introducing each character pretty much one by one made it so cool. Into Darkness was just so violent in my opinion. And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
What?

Star Trek was chock full of violence, in every episode. The Original Series was essentially Horatio Hornblower, and Wagon Train in space. It was, for all intents and purposes, a space western. While TNG was more known for it's diplomatic Captain, it too had it's fair share of violence. DS9 was filled with violence, VOY was violent, and ENT was violent. The Star Trek movies are action films, save for TMP. The most popular Trek movie, TWOK is wall to wall violence and vengeance. The idea is that Star Trek isn't known for violence, but the reality is that Trek is an action franchise.
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Old August 29 2013, 11:34 PM   #302
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Commander Remmick disagrees about Trek not being violent.

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Old August 30 2013, 01:53 AM   #303
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Off the top of my head, in TOS we saw Kirk get the crap beat out of him by Finnegan, McCoy strung up and tortured by the Vians, Kirk and Spock tortured by Space Nazis, a crewman tossed down a ravine by Ruk, a crewman blown up by an exploding rock, Kirk killed by Spock (twice!) and crewman speared by giant alien.
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Old August 30 2013, 02:51 AM   #304
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Heck, "The Cage" has an extended battle scene between Pike and a giant barbarian warrior . . . .
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Old August 30 2013, 04:55 AM   #305
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Heck, "The Cage" has an extended battle scene between Pike and a giant barbarian warrior . . . .
Not to mention Pike threatening to snap the head Talosian's neck.
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Old August 30 2013, 05:02 AM   #306
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Off the top of my head, in TOS we saw Kirk get the crap beat out of him by Finnegan, McCoy strung up and tortured by the Vians, Kirk and Spock tortured by Space Nazis, a crewman tossed down a ravine by Ruk, a crewman blown up by an exploding rock, Kirk killed by Spock (twice!) and crewman speared by giant alien.
Don't forget Kirk's flying drop kicks and two-fisted punches.
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Old August 30 2013, 05:02 AM   #307
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And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
I've definitely seen a different version of the show than you have.
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Old August 30 2013, 10:30 AM   #308
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Commander Remmick disagrees about Trek not being violent.
I'm still amazed they decided to film that. Good episode.

Anyway, this shows the difference between reality and some fan's idealised view of the show.
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Old August 30 2013, 11:10 AM   #309
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Into Darkness was amazing clean, considering it's violence - Khan's hands were perfectly clean after he dealt with you-know-who, and Carol's leg, when we next saw it looked fine, with none of the extra corners and bone sticking out I envisioned.

Then again, if you think about it, Picard and Riker should have been splattered in Remmick brains in "Conspiracy"!
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Old August 30 2013, 02:59 PM   #310
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Into Darkness was amazing clean, considering it's violence - Khan's hands were perfectly clean after he dealt with you-know-who, and Carol's leg, when we next saw it looked fine, with none of the extra corners and bone sticking out I envisioned.

Then again, if you think about it, Picard and Riker should have been splattered in Remmick brains in "Conspiracy"!
Well to be fair, he stomped on her thigh, likely just snapping the bone cleanly inside, no compounding. Just making sure she stayed put.
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Old August 30 2013, 03:43 PM   #311
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

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And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
I've definitely seen a different version of the show than you have.
Just because Star Trek has violence doesn't mean it's known for it, well at least for Prime Trek. It's more known for braking racial barriers, broadening the imagination, and it's moral base, but I covered that already in this thread.
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Old August 30 2013, 03:51 PM   #312
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All I can say is that all those redshirts didn't exactly die of natural causes . . .
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Old August 30 2013, 04:36 PM   #313
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And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
I've definitely seen a different version of the show than you have.
Just because Star Trek has violence doesn't mean it's known for it, well at least for Prime Trek. It's more known for braking racial barriers, broadening the imagination, and it's moral base, but I covered that already in this thread.
It not exactly an hour long meeting of the debate club either. I don't think anyone was saying the violence in the show was a defining feature, but it did exist, as the show was an action adventure series.

The breaking racial barriers thing is partially myth, since networks, advertisers and studios were encouraging producers to cast non-white actors. So Star Trek was part of a trend not bucking the system. It's moral base could be found in many dramas of the day. Again, not so much bucking the system as following the trends of the day.
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

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And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
I've definitely seen a different version of the show than you have.
Just because Star Trek has violence doesn't mean it's known for it, well at least for Prime Trek. It's more known for braking racial barriers, broadening the imagination, and it's moral base, but I covered that already in this thread.
It not exactly an hour long meeting of the debate club either. I don't think anyone was saying the violence in the show was a defining feature, but it did exist, as the show was an action adventure series.
BillJ sure sound like he was contradicting Captain_Q in this Quote.
The breaking racial barriers thing is partially myth, since networks, advertisers and studios were encouraging producers to cast non-white actors. So Star Trek was part of a trend not bucking the system. It's moral base could be found in many dramas of the day. Again, not so much bucking the system as following the trends of the day.
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Old August 30 2013, 05:06 PM   #315
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back?

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Just because Star Trek has violence doesn't mean it's known for it, well at least for Prime Trek. It's more known for braking racial barriers, broadening the imagination, and it's moral base, but I covered that already in this thread.
It not exactly an hour long meeting of the debate club either. I don't think anyone was saying the violence in the show was a defining feature, but it did exist, as the show was an action adventure series.
BillJ sure sound like he was contradicting Captain_Q in this Quote.
I guess you mean this quote?

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And Star Trek isn't known for violence.
I've definitely seen a different version of the show than you have.
The implication is that Trek down played violence, which it didn't. It was as violent as its contemporaries. The fight theme from "Amok Time" and Kirk fu are constantly referenced, even by non fans.
The breaking racial barriers thing is partially myth, since networks, advertisers and studios were encouraging producers to cast non-white actors. So Star Trek was part of a trend not bucking the system. It's moral base could be found in many dramas of the day. Again, not so much bucking the system as following the trends of the day.
TV's first interracial kiss was on Star Trek.
Or it could be Sammy Davis jr kissing Nancy Sinatra. Or any time a white actor kissed an Asian or Hispanic actor. (Lucy and Desi?) "Race" can be a nebulous term.
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