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Old August 13 2013, 08:11 PM   #1
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Amazing negligence in "And The Children Shall Lead"

I've been trudging through season 3, ugh, and one particular moment had me shocked.

Kirk orders two security guards down to the planet. He directs the transporter chief to beam them down and to retrieve the other security guards. What ends up happening is that the two guys were beamed into open space because the ship had left orbit.

Kirk neglects a) confirming they are still in orbit, b) confirming the beaming coordinates, c) preparing the two guys on the planet for transport and d) safeguarding the lives of his crew (by directly killing two of them). With negligence like that, I can't fault McCoy, Pulaski and Barclay for hating the transporter.
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Old August 13 2013, 08:24 PM   #2
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Because those rotten kids made them think the planet was there. Those kids had mental powers rivaling Talosians apparently, thanks to Gorgan.
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Old August 13 2013, 08:33 PM   #3
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^Well, sure, that was the intention, but it doesn't hold up to analysis. For one thing, the transporter itself should have built-in sensors that would've alerted the operator if the target location was unsafe -- or not there anymore. Not to mention that Kirk should've called down to get a report from the team on the surface before beaming another team in blind.
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Old August 13 2013, 08:39 PM   #4
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Re: Amazing negligence in "And The Children Shall Lead"

Worse still, at the end of the episode THEY NEVER GO BACK FOR THE OTHER 2 GUARDS!

They just go to another destination to drop off the kids.

Terrible writing.
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Old August 13 2013, 09:07 PM   #5
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Re: Amazing negligence in "And The Children Shall Lead"

^^ Yeah, those two redshirts are still waiting on Triacus. They must be awfully old and gray by now.
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Old August 13 2013, 09:34 PM   #6
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^^ Yeah, those two redshirts are still waiting on Triacus. They must be awfully old and gray by now.
Let's just hope they didn't take shelter in the anxiety-producing cave that spooked Kirk. I can just picture the two guards clutching at each other whining, "It's going to be alright, It's going to be alright!"
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Old August 14 2013, 07:32 PM   #7
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For one thing, the transporter itself should have built-in sensors that would've alerted the operator if the target location was unsafe
And Sulu must have had a dozen things telling him there were no razor-sharp daggers in his path - not to mention a dozen alarms sounding that the ship had engaged warp drive when Sulu first leaves orbit. But that was the power of the children - to make people ignore the facts of the matter in favor of a fantasy.

Let's recap the powers of the kids. We know explicitly that display screens don't show the truth (the planet stays in view, the daggers appear). We know that people don't hear what is being said (the kids conspire unnoticed). We know that people don't think straight (Uhura loses her wits).

In light of this, it would be pretty weird for Kirk to be able to immediately notice that there's no planet down there... What's more mysterious is that Spock eventually figures out that the planet has disappeared!

Worse still, at the end of the episode THEY NEVER GO BACK FOR THE OTHER 2 GUARDS! They just go to another destination to drop off the kids.
But the monster made the children take the ship to a distant location, not any of the "closer stations" it indicated would have been Kirk's preferred alternatives. Presumably, then, Triacus would not be the closest world to the starship when Kirk releases his ship from the clutches of the beast. Surely it would make more sense to drop off the kids first, then go to Triacus, than to go to Triacus with the kids and then double back to drop them off!

Let's just hope they didn't take shelter in the anxiety-producing cave that spooked Kirk. I can just picture the two guards clutching at each other whining, "It's going to be alright, It's going to be alright!"
Would the effect still linger there now that the beast had hitched a ride on the starship?

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Old August 14 2013, 11:01 PM   #8
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The original two guards are Leslie and Lemli, and they are most certainly back on the ship later in the episode.
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Old August 15 2013, 01:13 AM   #9
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. . . Let's recap the powers of the kids. . . . We know that people don't think straight (Uhura loses her wits).
And Kirk loses his shit.



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Old August 15 2013, 03:02 AM   #10
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ATCSL has always been my least favorite episode, bar none.
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Old August 15 2013, 04:05 AM   #11
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. . . Let's recap the powers of the kids. . . . We know that people don't think straight (Uhura loses her wits).
And Kirk loses his shit.



Excellent scene! Does Spock do some kind of telepathic thing to snap Kirk out of it, or is Kirk's own awesomeness just too powerful against the Gorgon's nasty spell?
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Old August 15 2013, 04:49 AM   #12
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ATCSL has always been my least favorite episode, bar none.
Ditto, as far as TOS is concerned.
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Old August 15 2013, 07:32 AM   #13
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ATCSL has always been my least favorite episode, bar none.
Having watched Spock's Brain and this a couple days apart, I have to agree with you. Spock's Brain is shallow fluff. ATCSL is horrible on every level.

ATCSL and The Way to Eden are way worse than Spock's Brain, IMO.
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Old August 15 2013, 08:50 AM   #14
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ATCSL and The Way to Eden are way worse than Spock's Brain, IMO.
You don't like The Way to Eden? Oh Herbert, you are stiff!

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Old August 15 2013, 10:53 AM   #15
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You don't like The Way to Eden? Oh Herbert, you are stiff!
That's what she said . . .
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