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Old August 12 2013, 12:41 AM   #16
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Re: The post-atomic horror government in "Encounter at Farpoint"

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One of the characters would probably have noticed if the re-creation wasn't accurate.

That being said, it's interesting to note that there wasn't supposed to even be an ECON - all references to it (in ST:FC) were supposed to just be China, but they changed it at the last minute. In any case, it seems obvious that the ECON was organized *around* China, or at least had a heavy Chinese influence.

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Old August 12 2013, 01:22 AM   #17
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There's that giant red and black eagle banner on the wall in that scene. Is that at all suggestive of an Asian regime?
Looks European to me, as does the outfit Q has on. Which to me looks like something out of the Renaissance. The spectators look a bit like European peasants from around that same era or prior to it.
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Old August 12 2013, 01:31 AM   #18
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First Contact said there weren't many governments left after WWIII, they probably were just some City-State and not indicative of any real nation.
Also in FC we learn that within 50 years of the Vulcans making first contact in 2063, most of Earth's serious problems have been solved. I suppose that there could still be these types of kangaroo courts that Q has recreated still running in 2079 somewhere in the world, but not for much longer after that.

The fact that Cochrane is building his warp ship out of a still-operational Titan missile at an abandoned USAF silo farm, out in the open, tells me that there isn't much of a U.S. Government left to stop him. I mean, try building a large rocket in your backyard today and see how far you'll get before Uncle Sam knocks on your front door.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:33 AM   #19
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According to TNG "The Royale", the US flag was in use until at least 2079, sixteen years after Cochrane's flight, so one assumes the US existed as a geopolitical entity up to that point too.
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Old August 12 2013, 01:54 PM   #20
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...Which doesn't guarantee continuity of existence, or the existence of a working government along with the flag.

The fact that Cochrane is building his warp ship out of a still-operational Titan missile at an abandoned USAF silo farm, out in the open, tells me that there isn't much of a U.S. Government left to stop him.
Or then he's working for the government, as one would generally expect for such a project. It's not that there isn't anybody to stop him - it's that the paychecks are late, the colleagues have moved up in their careers (sustenance farmer being a favorite), and the last report sent to Houston came back stamped "Address unknown/City Not Found".

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Old August 12 2013, 02:14 PM   #21
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I'm sure the letters "USA" appear on a computer screen in an episode of ENTERPRISE, indicating the nation's survival into the 22nd century.

Wasn't the stars and stripes seen briefly in Star Trek Into Darkness, or am I mistaken? I know the Union Jack was definitely there.
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Re: The post-atomic horror government in "Encounter at Farpoint"

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One of the characters would probably have noticed if the re-creation wasn't accurate.

That being said, it's interesting to note that there wasn't supposed to even be an ECON - all references to it (in ST:FC) were supposed to just be China, but they changed it at the last minute. In any case, it seems obvious that the ECON was organized *around* China, or at least had a heavy Chinese influence.

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