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Old August 12 2013, 08:32 PM   #76
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

Yeah but that was intentional... it was even in the script! MJ was playing an alien, and the nose was part of the disguise...
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Old August 12 2013, 08:37 PM   #77
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

As much as I loved of the "continuity porn," I'm still disturbed by "The Return of Dodo" and how she took her vengeance on The Doctor for abandoning her all those years ago. The torture sequences went a bit far in my opinion even though The Doctor egged Dodo on the whole time.
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Old August 12 2013, 09:08 PM   #78
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

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As much as I loved of the "continuity porn," I'm still disturbed by "The Return of Dodo" and how she took her vengeance on The Doctor for abandoning her all those years ago. The torture sequences went a bit far in my opinion even though The Doctor egged Dodo on the whole time.
The Doctor can hardly be blamed for abandoning Dodo. Ben and Polly told him Dodo wanted off the TARDIS ride, and asked them to say goodbye to the Doctor for her (Though, I suppose, since the Doctor had just met Ben and Polly, it probably woulda been a good idea to verify they were being truthful, for all The Doctor knew, they coulda left Dodo dying in a ditch and made up the whole "Wanting out" story)
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Old August 12 2013, 09:09 PM   #79
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Yeah, I did think the torture scene was a bit much, too.

But by far the most disturbing scene was in The Eye of Harmony, where the Doctor is forced to revert the creation of the Time Lords after a a gruelling, century-long hypnosis done by none other than Padmasambhava, as revenge for the whole Abominable Snowmen thing. It was rather brave of Hurt to portray the Doctor so weak and helpless, as I understand the BBC was rather adverse at showing these kind of intense scenes in a show squarely family-friendly.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:11 PM   #80
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Yeah but that was intentional... it was even in the script! MJ was playing an alien, and the nose was part of the disguise...
I never really liked that one. I mean, I get that they were trying to be clever, what with this happening in a Red Nose Day special and all, but it really ruined Michael Jackson for me.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:19 PM   #81
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Yeah but that was intentional... it was even in the script! MJ was playing an alien, and the nose was part of the disguise...
Yeah, but originally they were just going to CGI it, but it proved to be a pain in the ass and John Hurt ended up getting really pissed off, plus MJ was being a bit of a bastard in filming, so hurt punched him in the face, and his nose fell off.
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Yeah but that was intentional... it was even in the script! MJ was playing an alien, and the nose was part of the disguise...
I never really liked that one. I mean, I get that they were trying to be clever, what with this happening in a Red Nose Day special and all, but it really ruined Michael Jackson for me.
yeah, plus he was a fucking bastard in filming. he was the reason John hurt wanted to leave soon after. I remember watching behind the scenes on the bonus DVD and man did those two hate each other!

What really pissed Hurt off is that that special lead into a full four part serial, with Jackson coming back for several cameos each episode, after that serial, John Hurt announced he would be leaving Doctor who at the end of the series. I especially hated the fact that parts 2 and 3 kept becoming musicals filled with Michael Jackson songs. By the time they got to Thriller, Jackson an hurt looked like zombies without make up! I think when John Hurt had to dance to Smooth Criminal and land in Michael Jacksons arms and then twisting him ankle was really the last straw.
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Old August 12 2013, 10:28 PM   #82
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I hope Roger Moore comes back as Hurt Doctor's brother.

LOL at the sonic Rolex!
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Old August 12 2013, 10:36 PM   #83
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I hope Roger Moore comes back as Hurt Doctor's brother.

LOL at the sonic Rolex!
Oh yeah that was great. Apart from that moment when Hurt cut off his left hand for pushing him over as a child....

Anyway, found a picture of the Michael Jackson episode. Man they really did look like zombies!

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Old August 12 2013, 11:01 PM   #84
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

Yeah, they never really answered the question in the RTD era - what did happen to The Surgeon (the Roger Moore character, in case you're wondering) after the Time War... Did he die, or escape ala Master?
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Old August 12 2013, 11:42 PM   #85
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Don't you remember, the Surgeon was killed by the Rani on her hen doo. Well he already lost a lot of blood after Hurt cut off his hand.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:45 PM   #86
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I hope Roger Moore comes back as Hurt Doctor's brother.

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Oh yeah that was great. Apart from that moment when Hurt cut off his left hand for pushing him over as a child....

Anyway, found a picture of the Michael Jackson episode. Man they really did look like zombies!

Although it's from a minor (non-cannonical?) episode. This screen grab really does encapsulate so much of what went WRONG during the Hurt era.

1- Iffy special effects: I mean, its pretty clear that they just (poorly) rotoscoped Hurt's head and the TARDIS into the Thriller video.

Which is part of what lead to...

2- Different cuts released in different regions. Now this is, (of course) infamously a unique case. What with the BBC only securing MJ's music rights for the British broadcast, while the international (i.e. Canadian) audience got a massivly cut down series of disjointed shorts and a couple of dance numbers with royalty-free music dubbed in.

But of course this sort of thing was going on all the time. It's half the reason there's so much confusion about what happened, (hence the differing recolections here.)

As near as I can tell, it was common for there to be as many as three different cuts of an episode. There was the UK post-watershed cut, the pre-watershed re-broadcast (which sometimes was atually aired first), and the CBC (International) version.

It'd be one thing if these versions simply had some recuts due to the adult content from the late-night versions, but as is now infamous, they were ususally re-cut so extensively (including exclusion/inclusion of cut scenes) that its hard to follow. A major sub-plot might be promoted to the main plot, or it might be dropped entirely.

(I'm not even going to go into how CBC recast a number of guest parts in series 2 to meet CanCon requirments).

Then there were those US "Specials" that aired occasionally on FOX. The way they liberally intercut material from different serials, is really amazing in retrospect. "The Master of McCrimmon" essentially summarized a whole series into a 90 minute movie. It's utter nonsense but I remember really enjoying it at the time.
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Old August 12 2013, 11:59 PM   #87
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

I know, and what really pissed a lot of fans off was that in Hurts second series, they changed the classic blue police box to a black one with red windows. Plus with all the edits made it really confusing as they would use series 1 footage sometimes the TARDIS would appear black and red, while other times it would appear back to its classic blue colour.

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Old August 13 2013, 12:04 AM   #88
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

I still cry thinking about the single stand out episode of Hurt's run, "Puppies of Gallifrey". For those that missed it, at the moment Hurt's "Doctor" Time Locked Gallifrey, Rodan (last seen in "The Invasion of Time") managed to transmat all the Puppies of Gallifreyan Children into a TARDIS and that TARDIS out of range of the Time Lock. The Doctor later encountered this TARDIS, and resettled the Gallifreyan Puppies on Earth with disabled children.

Incredibly touching and well acted.
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Old August 13 2013, 12:22 AM   #89
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Re: Am I the only one that felt uncomfortable about the old Hurt Seria

You all gotta admit tho, his costume of the priests cassock with the rust jacket and that hat.... damn!

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Old August 13 2013, 12:27 AM   #90
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Don't you remember, the Surgeon was killed by the Rani on her hen doo. Well he already lost a lot of blood after Hurt cut off his hand.
Yeah, but that episode's lost, and I don't seem to recall it as well. I wish some day it can be recovered - its the Doctor's brother, for crying out loud!
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