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Old August 10 2013, 11:50 PM   #46
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Re: Dune - The Book and the 1984 film *spoilers for both*

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My preferred adaptation of the first Dune book would be the Lynch version. ( I'll never forget how they actually gave you a cheat sheet when you went into the theater, something that would have been a collector's item if it hadn't almost immediately been ink-smeared by greasy popcorn fingerprints. ) My optimal version would be something that doesn't exist. It would include the deleted scenes that were in the extended "Alan Smithee" edition, with their special effects completed, and with all the crap of that edition ( the voiceover, the scenes reused out of their proper sequence, etc. ) taken out.
There's a fanedit a very similar to what you're saying named Dune: The Third Stage Edition. It defers to the theatrical cut for all the material actually in theatrical cut (IE Irulan narrator rather than unknown male, no randomly reused material, etc.), but adds in the genuine deleted scenes from the Alan Smithee edition and even ones elsewhere (very poor quality in places, despite being cleaned up the best it could); the faneditor even goes by scene to scene and individually recolors the Freman's eyes to be blue in the deleted scenes. Total is about 3 hours. Well worth watching.
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Old August 11 2013, 12:45 AM   #47
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There's another one out there (the Alternate Edition Redux) that goes even further by mixing out about 60% of the voiceovers, splitting the film into 'books' (complete with quotes), and chopping 'Paul makes it rain' out of the ending.
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Old August 11 2013, 01:38 AM   #48
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individually recolors the Freman's eyes to be blue in the deleted scenes
Well, someone had to do it.
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Old August 11 2013, 01:43 AM   #49
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The Third Stage fan-edit of the Lynch film is the only one I watch. Fixes so many of the film's problems in regards to pacing, atmosphere-building, character development and clarity.

Lynch's Dune just has so much to love about it. The miniseries no doubt got way more of the plot in, but the direction, lighting and performances were so flat. And the costume design was really terrible. I do still like the miniseries a fair bit though and think they handled the overall political intrigue better, and didn't ruin the Baron like Lynch did. Also, the actress playing Chani was insanely, ridiculously hot. I still prefer Sean Young though. She's the book Chani I imagine .
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Old August 11 2013, 01:45 AM   #50
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The miniserieses definitely expanded Irulan's role.
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Old August 11 2013, 01:51 AM   #51
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The Third Stage fan-edit of the Lynch film is the only one I watch. Fixes so many of the film's problems in regards to pacing, atmosphere-building, character development and clarity.

Lynch's Dune just has so much to love about it. The miniseries no doubt got way more of the plot in, but the direction, lighting and performances were so flat. And the costume design was really terrible. I do still like the miniseries a fair bit though and think they handled the overall political intrigue better, and didn't ruin the Baron like Lynch did. Also, the actress playing Chani was insanely, ridiculously hot. I still prefer Sean Young though. She's the book Chani I imagine .
Exactly. If only we were able to pick bits of each and make one great version.
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Old August 11 2013, 02:46 AM   #52
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Any movie adaptation of Dune would just be a series of edited highlights and in that regard, the Third Stage edit of Lynch's film is the best compromise we have. Both the Lynch film and the miniseries lack the depth of the novel and that's because there's just way too much going on in Dune for a different medium.

So much of it plays off philosophy, history and nature in a way that can't be shown on film. They couldn't have quotations from Irulan's books every few scenes like they do in the novel, it'd be too weird for audiences. They can't show the characters' inner monologues so they can't capture the complexities of how Paul learns to see time, life and existence. Probably the stuff that most moved me on my first read. They actually have to show Shaddam IV before the finale so he loses his mysterious edge. Lots of little things all add up to a very different movie experience. Dune isn't as simple to adapt as many other sci-fi/fantasy novels. So much of the book's appeal was the details within the details, relationships within relationships, and plans within plans. Networks and Hollywood will always simplify this, so we end up with ridiculously unfaithful stuff like the Fremen beating the Sardakaur because they have better guns, rather than having superior adaptation, training and philosophy.

I do like the weirding modules to an extent, as I believe in the power of words on reality. It just doesn't quite fit in with Frank's story.
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Old August 11 2013, 04:12 AM   #53
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The miniserieses definitely expanded Irulan's role.
Well, it was more so that her expanded role in COD felt more natural instead of her just being a placeholder in the first two books and then a major character in the third.
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Old August 11 2013, 05:11 AM   #54
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Any movie adaptation of Dune would just be a series of edited highlights and in that regard, the Third Stage edit of Lynch's film is the best compromise we have. Both the Lynch film and the miniseries lack the depth of the novel and that's because there's just way too much going on in Dune for a different medium.

So true. Though I can't help but think if Lynch was able to retain final cut of the film, we may have got something that played better as a movie. I realize the extended cut does fix a lot of the problems as you've mentioned in the past here, but it's still just a fan re-edit, no matter how well done it is.

Too bad Lynch had such a horrible time on the film he refuses to do a Directors Cut, because I sure wouldn't mind seeing one.
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Old August 11 2013, 09:42 AM   #55
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Another fan of Third Stage Edition, which is only version I'll watch now. Though prefer Lynch to the miniseries in most depts, I'd love to see a Lynchian take now that had better vfx for crafts, city vistas, etc. It's one of things I think CoD did really well, and much better cast /acting than first miniseries. McAvoy, Krige and Sarandon terrific, but especially the actress who plays Irulan, who feels like the story's heart for me.
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Old August 11 2013, 03:39 PM   #56
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Yeah, I might not have thought of her when reading the book, but in retrospect Sarandon seems like the perfect choice to play Wensicia.

I also thought COD's worm capture scene was great, especially since the books implied this was going on but never directly showed it in a you-are-there kind of scene.
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Old August 11 2013, 04:00 PM   #57
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Am I the only one that thinks Dune Messiah is by far the weakest of Frank Herbert's Dune books?
I don't think it's the weakest of all of them, but it's definitely the weakest of the first four. It exists more as setup for Children of Dune than as a story in its own right.

(Which is perhaps why it worked so well as night one of the miniseries for CoD.)
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Old August 11 2013, 08:45 PM   #58
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Yeah, I might not have thought of her when reading the book, but in retrospect Sarandon seems like the perfect choice to play Wensicia.
Except for the fact that she's 27 years older than Julie Cox but played her younger sister. Well, maybe that's just visual proof that life on Salusa Secundus is really hard. But I agree that she was a great Wensicia.

I never had an issue with Dune Messiah, maybe because I read it and Children of Dune right after each other so Messiah never had a chance to be a standalone novel in my mind.

I still hope someone someday decides to make an anime adaptation of all six novels, I think it would be the perfect medium for it.
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Old August 11 2013, 08:48 PM   #59
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God Emperor of Dune would have to be some surreal psychological mindfuck akin to End of Evangelion.
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Yeah, I might not have thought of her when reading the book, but in retrospect Sarandon seems like the perfect choice to play Wensicia.
Except for the fact that she's 27 years older than Julie Cox but played her younger sister. Well, maybe that's just visual proof that life on Salusa Secundus is really hard. But I agree that she was a great Wensicia.
Guess she wasn't getting enough melange.
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