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View Poll Results: Which class of ship is more powerful?
Galaxy class 26 54.17%
D'deridex class 22 45.83%
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Old August 15 2013, 04:28 PM   #46
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Re: D'deridex class Warbird vs Galaxy class

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You've got the impression the Galaxy class has inferior technology to the D'deridex.
No. I think what he is saying is what many of us here are saying: the intent was that the two types of ships were roughly equals.
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Old August 15 2013, 05:22 PM   #47
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Re: D'deridex class Warbird vs Galaxy class

The Galaxy is my favorite ship but I voted for the D'deridex on this one. The only thing that I think gives it the edge is the cloaking device. Without it I would have definitely gone for the Galaxy!
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Old August 15 2013, 06:09 PM   #48
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I am not saying it would be an easy win for a Galaxy class at all, just that I get the impression the Romulan Warbirds are overall inferior technologically speaking (not just talking shields and weapons, but all technology) to the Galaxy class ships and newer.
Again? Is this based on anything? The impression I've got is the opposite. The reason is that, when a species has inferior technology, they've taken care in the show to demonstrate this. For example, the Federation could read Cardassian transponder codes. I believe they flat out said that a Galor class was inferior to a Galaxy class (while describing it as still "top of the line."). Ferengi ships were definitely shown to be inferior (as their technology as a whole) in spite of initial speculation that they were equal. Romulans, on the other hand, were never shown to be inferior. Slower, yes, but that was pretty much it. Again, what's your impression based on?
You've got the impression the Galaxy class has inferior technology to the D'deridex.
No? At least, with the exception of the cloaking device my answer would be no (obviously, the Romulan cloaking device is better than the Enterprise's non-existent cloaking device). My impression is they were roughly on par with each other with the differences not being significant enough to say one is inherently better.
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Old August 15 2013, 07:32 PM   #49
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And, just to reiterate, I'm completely certain Starfleet and the RSE have fairly disparate design ethos and development priorities. Romulans seem to favor surprise and overwhelming initial force, while Starfleet seems to fight a strategic battle of attrition.
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Old August 16 2013, 03:03 AM   #50
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Size doesn't necessarily matter after a certain size where bigger doesn't necessarily mean better.

The only time we ever got to see an actual battle was in Message In A Bottle, although it had 2 Defiant classes involved in it.
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Old August 16 2013, 05:50 PM   #51
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Two Defiants, one Akira...

...and Starfleet's pre-eminent new experimental three-in-one ship. Which reduced a D'deridex to debris with a single barrage. Great point.

Who knows how much damage that D'Deridex had already taken.
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Old August 16 2013, 10:19 PM   #52
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The point of that ship is to show how state of the art and awesome it apparently was, so it's probably not useful to compare to a Galaxy class, which was about 10 years old at that point (I was watching Journey's End recently where Wesley was being an unnecessary dick and he suggested that the whole technology of the ship was obsolete).
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Old August 16 2013, 10:23 PM   #53
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Agree wholeheartedly - it was solely to make a point, and I meant that we don't know it was the Prometheus's volley that did her in, anyway.
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Old August 19 2013, 12:41 AM   #54
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Two Defiants, one Akira...

...and Starfleet's pre-eminent new experimental three-in-one ship. Which reduced a D'deridex to debris with a single barrage. Great point.

Who knows how much damage that D'Deridex had already taken.
I don't think it was a single barrage, I think the D'deridex was already heavily damaged.
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Old August 19 2013, 07:28 AM   #55
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I always go back to Tin Man, where the Enterprise gets crippled in a matter of seconds by a Romulan ship in a single firing pass.
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Old August 19 2013, 10:41 AM   #56
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Very true. Although the exact definition of "crippled" there seems to be 70% loss of combat shields; otherwise, the ship seems operational, but Picard dare not confront the Romulans without the shields. The rest of the damage comes from Tin Man's own attack.

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Very true. Although the exact definition of "crippled" there seems to be 70% loss of combat shields; otherwise, the ship seems operational, but Picard dare not confront the Romulans without the shields. The rest of the damage comes from Tin Man's own attack.

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Indeed, Picard knows he doesn't have to risk his crews lives, or a war, to engage a ship that has just gained an upper hand. He doesn't even return fire.

For all we know a return volley of phasers and torpedoes would have done equal damage to the Romulans, followed by a slog with dozens of dead until you have two wrecks.

Good call by Picard, later, when Tin Man is at genuine risk, Picard does move to engage the Romulans.
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Old August 19 2013, 03:18 PM   #58
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Very true. Although the exact definition of "crippled" there seems to be 70% loss of combat shields; otherwise, the ship seems operational, but Picard dare not confront the Romulans without the shields. The rest of the damage comes from Tin Man's own attack.

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Still, it was quick failure of the shields. Of course, we don't know how much damage the Enterprise could have done if they returned fire, but it felt unusually quick when it comes losing that much of their shields. That doesn't say anything about Romulan weapons compared to Federation weapons, though, just compared to other enemies and their weapons.
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Old August 20 2013, 02:57 AM   #59
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I always go back to Tin Man, where the Enterprise gets crippled in a matter of seconds by a Romulan ship in a single firing pass.
For one, the D'deridex didn't "cripple" the Enterprise, it just damaged it. Also, the Enterprise is capable of delivering just as much firepower as the D'deridex. That's pretty much been settled on.
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Old August 21 2013, 02:04 PM   #60
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Has it been settled on? I can't recall an episode where the Enterprise fired on a Warbird. I certainly agree that Tin Man isn't close to conclusive precisely because we don't know how much damage a Galaxy Class could do when returning fire, but that's not the same as saying that a Galaxy class definitely could do as much damage returning fire.
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