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Old August 25 2013, 07:58 PM   #196
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She was a junkie and she reaped what she sowed at different levels. If Walt hadn't been there, the outcome would still have been the same.

Yeah, screw her. She wasn't a person, she was a "junkie." They all die young. They never get clean.

Harsh, even though we're talking about fictional characters.

The young representative in House of Cards got the same reaction from many after his death, too. "Ehh, he was a drunk, he was worthless, woulda died anyway, who cares." Harsh.
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Old August 26 2013, 02:25 AM   #197
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But I think that Walt's fundamental brutality towards Jesse expresses his resentments towards Walter Jr. It looks as if the show is going to wimp out on really confronting the underlying issues, though.
Walter, Jr. is a minor character at this point, but I don't think the show has played any moments of resentment between Walter Sr. and his son so far. Despite all his horrible decisions which will have negative consequences for his entire family at some point, Walt continues to express love for his children.

So I think the writers aren't wimping out on this notion so much as continuing to not make that dramatic choice.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:03 AM   #198
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Looks like things are heating up.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:03 AM   #199
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well, that was crazy.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:05 AM   #200
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I take it Jesse is responsible for what happened to Walt's house and he's the one who spray painted "Heisenberg" on the wall?

Thought Walt was going to squeeze Jesse to death or snap his neck in the desert.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:09 AM   #201
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I was wondering when Jesse was going to admit to himself that he knew what Walt did
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Old August 26 2013, 03:17 AM   #202
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I take it Jesse is responsible for what happened to Walt's house and he's the one who spray painted "Heisenberg" on the wall?

Thought Walt was going to squeeze Jesse to death or snap his neck in the desert.
That episode was amazing. Yes, I'm assuming Jesse is the one to destroy Walt's house. This is getting really interesting. I laughed at Walt's confession, it was genius, it made me root for Walt as the evil genius. I truly felt bad for Jesse in that scene in the dessert, I teared up a little bit. I'm not sure Walt was working Jesse though, I think he does care about him. Now that the cat's out of the bag about Brock, I'm guessing Walt will be forced to go after Jesse. I'm so used to seeing Walt figure out solutions, but not this time.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:23 AM   #203
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oh, BTW that WASN'T the corner of Osuna and Juan Tabo, it was University Blvd by the film studio
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Old August 26 2013, 03:23 AM   #204
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Holy shit! They are killing me with these cliffhangers! I don't know how they can keep it going but this show will manage to do that.

Just when I thought Walt couldn't manage to sink even lower, he manages to do it. Walt and Skylar were detestable but at least Skylar realizes she has dropped an atomic bomb on her relationship with Marie and it's never going to heal.

Walt's gamble was brilliant and Hank has no one to blame but himself. I totally get how stunned and horrified he is about Walt but he's been stumbling after since he STUPIDLY took that book out of Walt's house. By doing that, he allowed Walt to know that he knew about Heisenberg. I don't think Hank is going to give up but he's in a total tactical retreat right now.

I kept thinking Jesse was going to run into Walt Jr. at the end. Didn't expect him to be the one to destroy the house but that was totally an awesome cliffhanger.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:35 AM   #205
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A lot of characters with sullen looks staring off into space these days. Except Hank, he just looks angry a lot.

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I'm not sure Walt was working Jesse though, I think he does care about him.
Maybe to a degree, but Walt was definitely massaging him and he wasn't buying any of it.
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Old August 26 2013, 03:43 AM   #206
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The house wasn't burned in the first ep of this half season. Just abandoned. Watch for a confrontation that stops a fire next ep.
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Old August 26 2013, 04:24 AM   #207
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There were several occasions where Walt would have been better off if Jesse were simply dead, and Walt didn't let it happen. I don't know that it's fair to say he cares about Jesse. He likes possessing Jesse, the way he likes to possess Skyler and his kids. At this point, I'm not sure there's anyone he genuinely cares about so much as wanting to possess and control them--even if it's from beyond the grave, with millions in dope money. In a sense, the duffel bag of money he gave Jesse was another way to control him. But Jesse's clearly gone out of control and who knows if Walt can pull him back.
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Walt and Skyler are straight-up monsters these days. I don't know if there's any term for what they pulled with that 'confession' tape other than "evil."

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Holy shit! They are killing me with these cliffhangers! I don't know how they can keep it going but this show will manage to do that.
These have almost stopped being viable episodes on their own and have become mere snippets of one long movie; they start in medias res and then stop when the 45 minutes are up without resolving anything. It's getting frustrating, though I imagine it'll make for an incredible viewing experience once all the episodes have aired.

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He likes possessing Jesse, the way he likes to possess Skyler and his kids. At this point, I'm not sure there's anyone he genuinely cares about so much as wanting to possess and control them--even if it's from beyond the grave, with millions in dope money.
That's a really good point and adds plausibility, I think, to that Reddit idea from before, that Walt may be avenging Hank's death in the flash-forward. He does seem to view Hank as family and wants to control him the way he controls everyone else. Any vengeance would not be redemptive or an expression of him caring about Hank per se; it would be him mad that someone damaged one of his playthings, and he'd want to strike back for it.
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Old August 26 2013, 08:34 AM   #209
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HO. LY. SHIT. All our sentimental theories about flash forward Walter protecting Jesse. He's protecting himself from Jesse. Oh, that evil genius Vince Gilligan. He must be snickering a blue streak.

HOLY. SHIT. Wow.....just wow. I was wondering what the deal was with Jesse starting at the cigarettes so intently. It dawned on me a split second before he confronted Saul what it was. I can't see Jesse killing Hank. That would violate the core of the character.

Hank beat him to a pulp, sure, but Hank didn't poison Brock. Oh yeah, Walter was playing him in the desert. No doubt about it. He needs Jesse to be gone. Walter, at his heart, doesn't want to have to kill Jesse. He doesn't want it to be necessary to protect himself because Walt knows he would do it if push came to shove. At the end of the day, Walter cares about himself most. Does he care about Jesse at all?

Perhaps a smidgeon. Does he love Jesse? Fuck, no. He loves possessing Jesse. He gets off on having someone look up to him and adore him but there's no turning back with Jesse. Jesse's lost it and Walter has earned his ire. Interesting point about the house not being burned in the flash forward.

God, Skyler, I hope Walter is worth losing your sister over. Hi, Marie. I'm willing to hold the camera and help Walter screw over your husband, but we had good times as kids, right? Does this mean we can't have coffee? Skyler's given up everything for Walt. She had a way out. She could have turned Walter in, but she didn't do it. If it were only a matter of not wanting Walter, Jr. to find out I'd have sympathy, but it's more than that for Skyler. She's made herself complicit times ten. Hopefully Holly will grow up with the last name Schrader. Damn, shooting that video of Walt was low. Walter's a snake. Can you imagine the rage and hurt felt by Hank and Marie? Imagine your own sibling doing that to you. It's not a pretty picture.

It's fascinating, though. Why can't Walter bring himself to openly threaten Jesse? He made the recording to threaten Hank. Why is it that he can't come clean with Jesse? Take the deal or we'll kill you. The embrace was startling; did Jesse ever put his arms around Walt? I don't think so. If Walter were the kingpin that he thinks he is, he'd have killed Jesse by now. Taking morals and ethics from the equation, eliminating Jesse as a threat makes the most sense. Walter is a snake in the grass, but he's not Scarface. He's not tough enough. Mike made him flinch. When confronted by a real man, Walt flinches.

Jesse's going to make Walt flinch.
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Omigod, that episode was AMAZEBALLS!!!
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