RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,901
Posts: 5,387,392
Members: 24,717
Currently online: 625
Newest member: teriankhoka

TrekToday headlines

IDW Publishing November Trek Comic
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Pegg/Wright Trilogy In The Works
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Star Trek: The Compendium Rebate Details
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Gold Key Archives Volume 2
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Takei Documentary Wins Award
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Cumberbatch To Voice Khan
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Shaun And Ed On Phineas and Ferb
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

New Ships Coming From Official Starships Collection
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Trek Stars Take On Ice Bucket Challenge
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Retro Review: Profit and Lace
By: Michelle on Aug 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 7 2013, 03:59 PM   #31
picsiskvinechef
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

Lipton wrote: View Post
Regarding "The Fight" - The whole concept of chaotic space came off as extremely ridiculous to me as a kid and it still does.

The doctor taunting Chakotay in his vision, saying boxing was dangerous and you ended up as a "crazy old man" made me scoff in disbelief as a twelve year old. It came across as way too corny to be taken seriously. It was pretty much a parody, not a real episode.

IMO "Threshold" was the worst, though, as it seemed like cheap fan fic written by a fifteen year old to me. What puts it over as the worst episode of Trek in general for me is the way Tom pulls his tongue out and laughs. We switched genres and it was suddenly briefly like a cheesy horror film. The salamander babies couldn't make it worse for me after that.
er.. boxing being dangerous is medical fact. do you also "scoff" at transfats being harmful, or tobacco?
picsiskvinechef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 04:20 PM   #32
KaraBear
Captain
 
KaraBear's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Fury is the episode comes back all mad, right?
What's wrong with the episode?
Yeah, Kes comes back and her memories are twisted so she doesnt clearly remember her time on voyager
I think it's a great episode
KaraBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 04:49 PM   #33
picsiskvinechef
Lieutenant
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

Incidentally, I don't hate this ep, but it really is a WEIRD-arse one lol..

We did see Chakotay's people though, but still no tribe name lol.. Getting an elderly native American actor (who looked/sounded like the character in TNG's Journey End, well to me anyhow) to play his grandfather doesn't cut it.
picsiskvinechef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 05:03 PM   #34
Lynx
Rear Admiral
 
Lynx's Avatar
 
Location: Lynx Empire
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

KaraBear wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Fury is the episode comes back all mad, right?
What's wrong with the episode?
Yeah, Kes comes back and her memories are twisted so she doesnt clearly remember her time on voyager
I think it's a great episode
What's "great" with such unnecessary character destruction and a deliberate spit in the faces of the fans of that character?
__________________
Who'd let that cat in here?

Welcome to visit the Kes Website at: http://lynx677.byethost12.com
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 05:31 PM   #35
KaraBear
Captain
 
KaraBear's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

Lynx wrote: View Post
KaraBear wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
Fury is the episode comes back all mad, right?
What's wrong with the episode?
Yeah, Kes comes back and her memories are twisted so she doesnt clearly remember her time on voyager
I think it's a great episode
What's "great" with such unnecessary character destruction and a deliberate spit in the faces of the fans of that character?
I thought the epsode was good. Anytime a character acts differently than normal is interesting to see. There was some great action in it. Kes storming down the hall with everything blowing up behind her was a great scene!

I don't think the character was destroyed at all. At the end she was able to regain herself and went to help her people. That seems very Kes-like to me.

If you don't like the episode that's cool, I liked it though
KaraBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 06:47 PM   #36
Lynx
Rear Admiral
 
Lynx's Avatar
 
Location: Lynx Empire
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

^^
In that case, I must recommend "Warlord" which is a much better episode. In that one, Kes is possessed by an alien warlord, acts strange but is restored back to normal at the end. In "Fury" she was too much out of character and at the end became a pathetic wreck. That's what I call character destruction.
__________________
Who'd let that cat in here?

Welcome to visit the Kes Website at: http://lynx677.byethost12.com
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 06:58 PM   #37
KaraBear
Captain
 
KaraBear's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

I've seen Warlord it's not one of my favorites.

I don't think Kes was a pathetic wreck. I think she lost herself, and with Janeway and her past self was able to find herself again. At the end she's the same kindhearted Kes, she even goes to try to help her own people. I don't think a pathetic wreck would do that
KaraBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 06:59 PM   #38
teya
Vice Admiral
 
teya's Avatar
 
Location: 2 mi S of Capt Braxton's shopping cart
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

picsiskvinechef wrote: View Post
Getting an elderly native American actor (who looked/sounded like the character in TNG's Journey End, well to me anyhow) to play his grandfather doesn't cut it.
Same actor.
__________________
Akoochimoya, my indigenous ass.
teya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 7 2013, 07:03 PM   #39
KaraBear
Captain
 
KaraBear's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

picsiskvinechef wrote: View Post
Incidentally, I don't hate this ep, but it really is a WEIRD-arse one lol..

We did see Chakotay's people though, but still no tribe name lol.. Getting an elderly native American actor (who looked/sounded like the character in TNG's Journey End, well to me anyhow) to play his grandfather doesn't cut it.
I only saw that TNG ep once, was tha supposd to be Chakotay's tribe?
KaraBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 03:00 AM   #40
JirinPanthosa
Commodore
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

@KaraBear

Your avatar looks almost exactly like my childhood cat.

Also add False Profit to the list of episodes that forever protect all other episodes from being referred to as 'Worst ever'. WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! Honestly, with a population that stupid, without the Ferengi they all probably died of exposure, lacking the cognitive abilities to dress themselves in the morning.

I can accept that for Kes her complete isolation for years made her a bit loopy. But the knowledge they gained in the past made it so their actions in future episodes made no sense, and the fact that the ship being ripped apart by the Vidian hooks didn't change the future at all was another ridiculous abuse of the reset button.
JirinPanthosa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 03:34 AM   #41
Melakon
Vice Admiral
 
Melakon's Avatar
 
Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

Beltran always complained about the scripts, and when they'd give him something to carry by himself, they were some of the suckassiest episodes ever. Early in the series they did give him some good action oriented stuff. But in later years, they give him mindboggling mystic hoodoo uggawuggawigwam crap that's barely comprehensible. I did like "Shattered", but Beltran apparently hated it.
__________________
Moe: I'll take the blonde!
Larry: I'll take the brunette!
Curly: I'll take the Black and Tan!
--Wee Wee Monsieur (1938)
Melakon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 03:41 AM   #42
Dream
Admiral
 
Dream's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

Melakon wrote: View Post
Beltran always complained about the scripts, and when they'd give him something to carry by himself, they were some of the suckassiest episodes ever.
Not his fault the writing for VOY was mostly bad.
__________________
=)
Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 03:54 AM   #43
Lipton
Lieutenant Commander
 
Lipton's Avatar
 
Location: TOMATO SOUP!
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

picsiskvinechef: I knew boxing is dangerous and I still know it. It's not what The Doctor said, it's how they wrote it for him. Actually, it was that combined with Chakotay's reaction and the music that was playing. The scene came across way too corny to be taken seriously, not the medical fact.

I'm not literal minded. I don't always speak precisely.

Melakon: Yeah, the trek peeps were pretty burnt out from doing two series at once and saved their best writers for the DS9 Dominion arc. I heard somewhere that they wanted to end the series in season 6 but decided to renew it for one more. I'm glad they did, Season 7 was much better than Season 6.

The only major thing with Season 7 that I found done poorly was the Chakotay/Seven romance that was thrown in because they felt they had to have a romance. Wasn't believable. I'd rather they had a show where he went around his day to day duties as XO and had Neelix follow him around with a camera.

JanewayRulz!: I did enjoy Tuvok snoring. I just wish they would have had a little more on the ship.
__________________
- Lipton, that one guy with the screen name of a tea company.

"Tuvok, has anyone ever told you, you're a real freakasaurus?" - Tom Paris

Last edited by Lipton; August 8 2013 at 09:10 AM.
Lipton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 09:52 AM   #44
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

If anything, they should have extended that Harry/Seven thing. 3 seasons from going from a teenager crush to a respectable working relationship to a real one.
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 8 2013, 09:57 AM   #45
Dream
Admiral
 
Dream's Avatar
 
Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
If anything, they should have extended that Harry/Seven thing. 3 seasons from going from a teenager crush to a respectable working relationship to a real one.
Instead we got a terrified Harry after Seven offered him sex. I realized Harry was never going to amount to anything!
__________________
=)
Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:31 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.