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Old August 5 2013, 02:47 PM   #16
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Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

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Fury was an absolute travesty but at least it was watchable in places.
The Fight on the other hand makes me want to cry out of frustration just watching it, it was so unbelievably boring and confusing and awful and terrible. Truly the worst trek ever
Fury makes sense though, I never got The Fight. Just chakotay yelling about how he doesn't want to end up crazy
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Old August 5 2013, 02:57 PM   #17
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Erm, Fury irreparably changes the events of the first 3 seasons.
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Old August 5 2013, 03:19 PM   #18
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Erm, Fury irreparably changes the events of the first 3 seasons.
only in that Kes made the recording and knew at some point she'd come back all angry. Other than that how does it change the events in the first three seasons?
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Old August 5 2013, 03:23 PM   #19
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Old August 5 2013, 04:30 PM   #20
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I liked "The Fight".

I especially liked it more than season 1's "Twisted", or season 3's "Rise", "Darkling" or "Favorite Son".
Agreed here...except for Twisted. I'm one if the few who like that episode.
I liked Twisted too.
Me too. So that makes 3!!!

One of the worst episodes for me was "Unforgettable"...and "Rise", "Darkling" and "Favorite Son".

The Fight..meh, I thought it was a so-so episode. The only good scenes for me were those:



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Old August 5 2013, 04:53 PM   #21
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I thought parts of Darkling were funny....like in sickbay when the Doctor was coming onto B'Elanna LOL
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Old August 6 2013, 12:24 AM   #22
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Regarding "The Fight" - The whole concept of chaotic space came off as extremely ridiculous to me as a kid and it still does.

The doctor taunting Chakotay in his vision, saying boxing was dangerous and you ended up as a "crazy old man" made me scoff in disbelief as a twelve year old. It came across as way too corny to be taken seriously. It was pretty much a parody, not a real episode.

IMO "Threshold" was the worst, though, as it seemed like cheap fan fic written by a fifteen year old to me. What puts it over as the worst episode of Trek in general for me is the way Tom pulls his tongue out and laughs. We switched genres and it was suddenly briefly like a cheesy horror film. The salamander babies couldn't make it worse for me after that.
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Old August 6 2013, 11:25 AM   #23
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Re: The Fight: worst episode ever?

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Agreed here...except for Twisted. I'm one if the few who like that episode.
I liked Twisted too.
Me too. So that makes 3!!!
Me too. Now it makes 4!
I like that the whole cast works together so well. There are so many nice little scenes
Kes/Neelix (looking for Kes`quartier)
Neelix/Chakotay (Neelix asking Chakotay about being jealous)
Chakotay/Tuvok (the old conflict between them. Unfortunately they didn`t show more about it)
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As for "the Fight"- although I`m a Chakotayfan I don`t like this episode. It`s chaotic and unbelievably. Chakotay: peaceful man and boxing!!Bad idea!

Agree about the other episodes.
I also don`t like "Muse", "Prophecy", "Threshold", "11:59", "Think Tank", "The Bride Of Chaotica", "The Raven", "Fury", "Sacred Ground", "False Profits", "The Thaw", "Heroes & Demons"
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Old August 6 2013, 05:28 PM   #24
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I thought "Twisted" was kind of fun, actually A bit like the Twilight Zone.

"11:59" could have been interesting. But to have a whole show mainly about Janeway's ancestor? Now, what would have been cool is seeing flashbacks of each of the crew's ancestors, not just hers. Really a wasted opportunity if you ask me.

"Muse" seems to me like an episode without much of a B-plot. All they did on Voyager was worry about B'Elanna and Harry, briefly. It was pretty much a nod to the contracts of the other cast, but not much else.
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Old August 6 2013, 09:27 PM   #25
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But that B plot was quite telling. Knowing how B'Elanna explained how deeply emotional, the unemotional Vulcan were, then seeing Tuvok work himself into a stupor looking for her, was epic.

I loved Muse!

Especially this part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF13pMAyiFE

"One to ascend...."



Sad to say, (IIRC) the actress that played the scorned lover died after appearing a few times on Enterprise.
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Old August 6 2013, 09:41 PM   #26
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"The Fight" was a bad episode (although I like Chakotay). But it's not the worst episode.

The worst episode of Voyager and the worst episode ever in any TV series is "Fury".
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Old August 6 2013, 10:27 PM   #27
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I can't hate "Threshold", just like I can't hate "Spock's Brain".

It's been ages since I saw it, but I remember liking "Darkling" - especially how EeeeeeevilDoc wore contacts and chin putty.

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Old August 7 2013, 12:52 AM   #28
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The Fight is a really bad episode. Even most bad Voyager episodes can say the story is competently structured, even though they are bad stories. The Fight is not even competently structured. It's a storytelling mess, it's boring, it's stupid, it makes no sense, and it was obviously some writer's bad excuse to bring back his favorite single appearance character from TNG.

Worst episode ever? No, Fair Haven, Spirit Folk and Threshold out-suck it.

Muse? Eh, it was a good try.
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Old August 7 2013, 12:54 PM   #29
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I wonder better to portray something like Chaotic Space in a satisfying manner. All we really got was wobbly star effects and broken sensors.

Also I watched this epsiode about 2 weeks ago and I've already forgotten why the aliens attempts at communication made Chakotay hallucinate a boxing ring?

It's an episode that relies a lot on strange experiences - weird space, weird aliens - and can't really think of a good way to convey that to audiences. That or, looking at it the other way, round, they wanted a character piece with Chakotay and jotted in the scifi stuff just to justify it.
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Old August 7 2013, 03:41 PM   #30
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Fury is the episode comes back all mad, right?
What's wrong with the episode?
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